你了解你每天早上喝的橙汁吗 You know that orange juice you have every morning?
你知道它的成分吗 You know what's in that?
是玉米 Corn.
你了解你吃的薄煎饼上的糖枫汁吗 And you know what's in the maple syrup on your pancakes?
你知道是什么让它尝起来如此美味吗 You know what makes it taste so good?
是玉米 当你乖了想帮助解决垃圾的问题 Corn. When you're good and help with the trash
你知道是什么让大环保袋变得可降解吗 You know what makes the big, green bags biodegradable?
你知道吗 Do you?
是玉米 Corn.
玉米淀粉 Corn starch.
但爸爸的公司不提供那个 But daddy's company didn't come up with that one.
杜邦公司才那样做 Dupont did.
保时捷还是保士捷 两种念法我都听过 Porsche or porsche? I've heard it both ways.
三年前在德国 Three years in Germany
我就应该知道 玉米用德语怎么说 I should know. What's German for "corn"?
我最喜欢的德语单词 The German word I really like
是Kugelschreiber 就是钢笔 Is kugelschreiber. That's "pen."
用那么多字母仅仅为了表达钢笔的意思 All those syllables just for "pen."
阿彻丹尼尔斯米德兰 Archer Daniels Midland.
绝大多数人都不知道我们这公司 Most people have never heard of us.
但很有可能的是 Chances are,
他们吃的每顿饭都跟我们有关 They've never had a meal we're not part of.
读一读包裹旁边的字吧 Just read the side of the package.
那就是我们 That's us.
ADM公司现在正从玉米里提取葡萄糖 Now ADM is taking the dextrose from the corn
然后把它变成氨基酸 And turning it into an amino acid
也被称为赖氨酸 非常高科技 Called lysine. It's all very scientific.
如果你是股东 If you're a stockholder
你所要关注的就是玉米从这边进去 All that matters is corn goes in one end
利润从另一边出来 And profit comes out the other.
我们有世界上最大的赖氨酸车间 We have the largest lysine plant in the world.
我就是在那儿工作的 That's where I come in.
-科克 -马克 - Hey, Kirk. - Mark.
-我们什么时候去打球 -随时都行 - When are we gonna hit some balls? - Anytime.
他们是如何付给科克工资的 What do they pay Kirk?
那样的人能得到什么 What does a guy like that get?
我敢打赌他能拿十万美金 I bet he gets a hundred grand.
他就只是坐在桌子后面 He's just gonna sit behind that desk
虚晃度日 And ride it into the future.
早上好 Guten morgen.
-早上好 马克 -早上好 - Morning, Mark. - Morning.
赖氨酸的检验结果出来了 They have lysine results.
很好 Great.
我们再次调整了葡萄糖水平 We adjusted the dextrose levels again,
但病毒还是一直出现 But the virus keeps showing up.
我想我们这次到处都是问题 I thought we had it surrounded this time.
我们启用了一套新的工艺 We started a new set of cultures.
我们会搞明白 我们只需要在那之后停住 We'll get it. We just have to stay after it.
病毒吃了糖 我们给的糖 The things eat sugar and that's what we're giving them.
有糖 又温暖 简直就是病毒的天堂 A warm place filled with sugar.
那些该死的东西应该 The fucking thing is supposed to
每年产生113,000吨 Produce 113,000 tons annually.
我们还远远达不到这个数量 We're not gonna get anywhere close to that.
我们已经花了1.5亿在那上面 伙计们 We've got over $150 million in costs over there, guys.
那些日本人有这些问题吗 Do the Japanese have these problems?
我才不在乎那些日本人 I don't give a shit about the Japanese.
你得解决那些该死的赖氨酸问题 You've gotta get the goddamn lysine bugs
吃下那些葡萄糖就得给我们拉出钱来 To eat some dextrose and shit us out some money.
我们还有些病毒问题 We're having problems with this virus.
我不想听到病毒 这两个字 I don't want to hear about the virus.
我们每个月损失多少钱 How much are we losing a month?
大概是7百万 We are down like seven million per.
我们撑不了多久了 That's not gonna fly much longer.
你想下个月去告诉我父亲 You want to go there in next month tell my father.
这个项目 我们只能吃别人的剩菜了? We're sucking the hind tit on this?
我是不会去的 I sure don't.
财富500强中我们排在第44位 马克 We're number 44 on the fortune 500 list, Mark.
我不想因为这个让我们掉到45位 I don't want this turning us into number 45.
搞定它 Fix it.
用腐烂的玉米喂鸡 鸡会生病 Feed a chicken corn and it gets sick,
就像发生在第一批居住者身上的事一样 Like what happened to the first settlers.
会得糙皮病 由于缺乏尼克酸 Pellagra disease. Ni会的acin deficiency.
还会患皮炎 运动失调 甚至是痴呆 Dermatitis, ataxia, even dementia.
用玉米和赖氨酸喂鸡 Feed a chicken corn and lysine and it
就会在六个月内通过鸡蛋 Goes from egg to supermarket fryer
到了超市的油炸锅里面 In six months instead of eight.
马克 Mark?
你在想什么 Where are you?
你看起来气色很好 Hey, you look great.
他们给马厩修了第一堵墙 看到了吗 They got the first wall of the stables up today. See that?
他们今天在培养液里面加了新的东西 You know they're doing a new thing in hydroponics?
他们现在正用赖氨酸来喂大虾 They're now feeding lysine to the jumbo shrimp.
你能想象吗 Can you imagine that?
你是一只大虾 You're a jumbo shrimp
某一天玉米还会飘着走过来 And one day some corn goes floating by.
你觉得那怎么样 What do you think about that?
很怪异 对吗 Weird, right?
在墨西哥有个空缺的职位 There's an opening in the plant in Mexico.
他们可能想让我去那解决一些问题 They might need me to go down and set some stuff up.
你觉得墨西哥怎么样 What do you think about Mexico?
我以为我们要买马了 I thought we were getting horses.
公牛 Toro.
西班牙斗牛士们都是这么叫牛的 That's what Spanish bullfighters say.
但日本人也是这样叫高端的金枪鱼寿司的 But it's also what the Japanese call the high-end tuna sushi.
公牛 生鱼片 Toro. Raw fish.
第一个做生鱼片的人是谁 Who went first on that one?
应该是一个没有烤炉的人 The guy without the grill.
我去过东京 I've been to Tokyo.
他们在自动贩卖机旁的要道上 They sell little-girl underwear
银座 或是其他什么地方 In the vending machines right on the
卖小女孩的内衣裤 Main drag, the ginza, or whatever.
穿西装的男士买女孩们穿过的内裤 Guys in suits buying used girl panties.
那怎么能行 那样不行 How is that okay? That's not okay.
有位麻衣先生 There's a mr. Nakawara calling
从味之素公司打来电话 From the Ajinomoto corporation.
他说你们认识 他要跟你通话 He says you know him and he needs to speak with you.
好的 把他接进来 Yeah, put him through.
是那个日本人 It's the Japanese. There's this guy,
名叫麻衣 在味之素公司工作 Nakawara. He works at Ajinomoto.
几周前他来过这儿 你见过他 He was here a couple weeks ago. You met him.
我一直在跟他谈 有时是在办公室里 I've been talking to him sometimes at work
但有时候也在家里 But sometimes from home
因为时差的原因 Because of the time difference.
米克 这人知道所有的事情 所有事 Mick, this guy knew everything. Everything.
他这样跟我说 五月六月和七月 He says to me, "hey, you know that total
你们碰了不少钉子吧 Nightmare you guys had May, June, July?"
那段时间ADM公司为赖氨酸生意 "Those months when ADM was losing $7
每个月损失7百万美元 Million a month in the lysine business."
米克 我无法相信 Mick, I couldn't believe it.
他还告诉我 我们一个拿高薪的雇员 He goes on to tell me that one of our highest-paid employees
实际上是味之素的员工 Is actually an employee of Ajinomoto,
他一直在破坏我们的车间 Who is sabotaging the plant.
他们往葡萄糖里面注入了病毒 They're injecting a virus into the dextrose
污染了所有的一切 And contaminating the whole deal.
这就是问题所在 That's the problem.
我告诉你 米克 就像是旭日 I'm telling you, Mick, it's like rising sun.
就像是克莱顿的小说 就像那样 It's like the Crichton novel. It's just like that.
我问他 你为什么要告诉我 I go, "Why are you talking to me?"
知道他怎么说吗 Know what he says?
是的 我知道他会怎么说 Yeah, I know what he says.
他想要多少 How much does he want?
1千万美金 Ten million dollars.
1千万 同时也会告诉我们 Ten million, but that gives you
破坏者的身份 The identity of the saboteur
秘密的身份 还有新的 The secret identity, and a new
对病毒免疫的赖氨酸 Lysine bug that is immune to the virus.
三天之内我们就能让车间运行起来了 We have the plant up and running in three days.
你很了解这个人吗 How well do you know this guy?
他来这里的时候我见过他 I met him when he was here.
也在电话里谈过几次 We've spoken on the phone half a dozen times.
所以并不是太了解 So not very well.
我不能说我很了解 Very well? No, I wouldn't say that.
如果他再来电话 跟他压低价格 If you hear from him again, talk him down on the price.
找出他能接受的价格底线 Find out the least amount of money he'd settle for.
我的意思是 如果我们能够找到能抵抗 I mean, if we can get a bug that's
病毒的疫苗 大概也值了 Resistant to the virus, this might be worth it.
但一定要保密 But I want you to keep this secret.
如果有内鬼 我们先 If there is a mole, I don't want
先不要打草惊蛇 Him to know that we're on to him.
当然 Absolutely.
这里可能是开大卖场的好位置 This would be a great place for some outlet stores.
人们应该会从整个 People would come from all over
南伊利诺斯 也许还有密苏里赶来 Southern Illinois, probably Missouri.
各类名牌 Famous name-brand labels and appliances
每天高达50%的盈利 At savings of up to 50 percent every day.
也可以弄条墨西哥风味的美食街 Maybe a food court with a Mexican place.
鸟吃虫子 车子会夺去 The birds eat the bugs, the cars eat
鸟的生命 生锈又会毁了车子 The birds, the rust eats the cars
新的建筑物又会杜绝铁锈 And new construction eats the rust.
柯基 亚历山大说他房间里有只蝙蝠 Corky! Alexander says there's a bat in his room.
FBI? The FBI?
天哪 不 God, no.
我还以为你想让我跟他谈 I thought you wanted me to talk him
降价的事 我正在办 Down on the price. And I was doing it.
我们是不会坐以待毙 We're not gonna sit back
让那个日本人牵着鼻子走的 And let the Japanese fuck us sideways.
我无法理解 我们只是 I don't understand. We weren't gonna
提了一下 他就参与进来了? Mention it and now he's in on it?
他当然要参与进来 如果有内鬼 Of course he's in on it. If there's a mole,
这是个安全问题 It's a security issue.
我会去旁听的 I'll be sitting in with the FBI.
我已经告诉了你该说的所有事情 I already told you everything there is to tell.
我是说 这样做有意义吗 I mean, what is the point?
马克 冷静点 好吗 Mark. Calm down. All right?
我们也不喜欢 We don't like the idea of talking
和FBI谈这件事 To the FBI any more than you do.
他们只是来给电话录音 They're just gonna tape the guy's calls,
问你些问题 没什么大不了的 Ask you a few questions. No big deal.
问题 Questions?
上帝啊 Jesus.
马克 Mark?
FBI? The FBI?
为什么要你跟FBI谈 Why do you have to talk to the FBI?
是他们的车间 It's their plant.
就让...就让他们自己去跟FBI谈 Just... just let them talk to the FBI.
宝贝 我真的不想再说这个了 Babe, I am really uncomfortable with this.
这发生了一些事情 There are some things that are going on here.
你说 事情是什么意思 What does that mean, "things"?
只是...意思是我们得小心点 It just... it means that we have to be careful.
不管你做什么 柯基 不管发生什么事 Well, whatever you do, Corky, no matter what's going on
坦诚一点 告诉他们实话 好吗 Just be honest with them and tell them the truth, okay?
他说想让钱直接打到 He said he wanted the money wired
一个在瑞士的账户 Into a numbered account in Switzerland
还有一个在加勒比海 And then also in the Caribbean.
你上次跟他联系是什么时候 Uh... and when did you last have contact with him?
两天前 Two days ago.
但我觉得他已经起了疑心 But I think he's getting suspicious.
我把这件事拖太久了 I've been dragging this thing along.
我觉得要是我们再不进一步 I think if we don't make a move
我的意思是 他可能已经把内鬼告诉我们了 I mean, he could already have backed down here.
这几个电话 是打到你家里吗 And these calls, they've been coming in on your home line?
我家有条ADM的专线 Well, I have an ADM line at my house.
是用来谈工作的 It's a business line.
都是通过这条工作专线打进来的 They've been coming in on the business line.
我想我们应该 Well, I think we should start with
从在你的电话里面安录音装置开始 Putting a recording device on your phone.
巴克拉克店最近在减价 There's a sale at Bachrach's.
卖得是没人买的奥斯卡·德拉伦塔牌的领带 They have those Oscar De La Renta ties that nobody buys.
什么领带呢 一人一周戴两条吗 What are they, two for one for another week?
只不过是脖子上的斜纹带子 Diagonal bands of color hanging around your neck.
他们从来不减价卖漂亮的布里奥尼领带 They never put the nice brioni ties on sale.
我所有的领带都应该在巴黎买 I should just get all my ties in paris
一周戴一两次 Wear them once or twice
再把它们塞进免税的包里 And shove them in a duty-free bag.
海关不会因为领带多不让你过关 Nobody gets stopped at customs for ties.
这种情况我也能帮上忙 I can help with that.
所以 So...
那就这样吧 ...that's it, then.
我能走了吗 I can go?
听着 为什么不 Listen. Why don't...?
我想明天就过来 完成电话的事 I'd like to come out tomorrow, get on that phone.
好的 没问题 Great. No problem.
-谢谢你的时间 -谢谢 - Thank you for your time. - Thank you.
你应该说出真相 马克 You told the truth, Mark.
这是你能做的 That's all you can do.
我甚至没有机会 I never even had the chance.
他们一直在监视我 They were watching me the whole time.
切夫伦也在 Cheviron was in the room.
米克·安德里亚斯认了美国的副总统 Mick Andreas gets the vice president
当他的教父 Of the United States as his godfather.
他还去理查德·尼克松的家过感恩节 He goes to Richard Nixon's house for thanksgiving.
事实是他的父母并没有死于车祸 It's not like his parents died in a car accident
他也没成了孤儿 And he ended up in an orphanage.
米克的爸爸为尼克松的竞选开了张支票 Mick's dad wrote a check to the Nixon campaign.
记在了水门事件的账上 It wound up in the account of the watergate burglars.
他会承认这个吗 我不觉得 Did he admit it? I don't think so.
而且 ADM还有可能控制了FBI Besides, ADM probably owns the FBI.
也许他们想我搬进德维恩的老房子 They probably wanted me to move into Dwayne's old house
因为他们已经像克莱顿的小说那样布置好了 Because they got it wired like in a Crichton novel.
马蒂·安丽森来过电话 Marty Allison called.
还有希德·赫尔斯想知道你们的 And Sid Hulse wants to know if you can
晚餐时间能否从7:00改为7:30 Have dinner at 7:00 instead of 7:30.
很漂亮的耳环 金吉尔 Great earrings, Ginger.
我敢打赌从太空中也能看到它们的闪光 Bet you can see those shining from space.
马克从国外买回来的 Mark got them abroad.
我不记得是哪里买的了 I can't remember where.
是尼日利亚吗 Nigeria?
不好笑 希德 Not funny, Sid.
那你告诉我 You're telling me.
希德 你明天要出差吗 So, Sid, you're off tomorrow?
去哪 Where to?
西海岸 West coast swing.
得去那筹备一下 揍几个日本人 Gotta get up there. Kick some Japanese butt.
我们会有几周见不到吗 I'm not gonna see you for weeks?
也许会更久 如果我在银座迷路的话 Maybe longer if I get lost in the Ginza.
旅途愉快 希德 Have a great trip, Sid.
告诉他们一切吧 Just tell them everything.
然后我们就离开 We'll leave.
我不喜欢公司对你做的事 I don't like what this company is doing to you.
这是个重新开始的机会 This is a chance to start somewhere new.
还记得吗 你说的墨西哥 Remember, you said Mexico?
或许某个时候我会告诉他们的 但现在 I may tell them at some point. But now,
我得按公司的意思做 I gotta toe the company line here.
马克 Mark
如果你不介意的话 我来说吧 If you don't tell them, I will.
我不能 I can't.
不是现在 Not now.
你好 请进 Hello. Please.
谢帕德特工 这是我妻子 金吉尔 Agent Shepard, my wife, Ginger.
女士 我知道现在很晚了 Ma'am. I know it's late.
我马上就说完 I'll be out of your hair in a minute.
好的 给谢帕德特工来杯咖啡吧 Great. Maybe a cup of coffee for Agent Shepard?
好的 Okay.
给我看下我们讨论过的线路在哪吧 Just show me where the line in question
那边那个 It's that one over there.
曾经有过一个电视剧 There should be a tv show about a
讲述一个人打电话回家 其实他就在家里 Guy who calls home and he's there.
他接起电话 跟自己讲话 He answers, he's talking to himself, only it's someone else.
然后一分为二 He's somehow divided into two and
第二个他开车离去 The second one of him drives away.
电视节目就是讲他试图找到另一个他 The show is about him trying to find the guy.
我明天给你电话 那时我们再来测试一下 I'll give you a call tomorrow. We can test it out.
好的 好的 谢谢你过来 Great. Great. Okay. Thank you for coming by.
-晚安 -晚安 - Good night. - Night.
晚安 维塔科尔夫人 Good night, mrs. Whitacre.
晚安 Good night.
-是你去说 还是我说 -不要 - Are you gonna say something, or am I? - Don't.
布莱恩 Brian?
有时间吗 Hey, got a minute?
我能跟你上车谈吗 Can I talk to you in the car?
当然 Sure.
如果你想的话我们可以回屋谈 We could go back inside if you want.
他们可能已经装了窃听器了 They might have it bugged.
我们在这儿很安全 We're safer out here.
窃听器 什么 谁 我们 Bugged? What? Who? Us?
是的 我知道有些事 All right, there's things I know.
如果我决定告诉你 If I decide to tell you
我会被起诉吗 could I be prosecuted?
我不能保证你会无罪 如果有任何消息 I cannot provide you with immunity, but any information
表明你卷入了犯罪活动 About your involvement in criminal activity
美国律师事务所会用 Would be discussed in a favorable
一种良好的氛围来讨论此事 Light with the U.S. attorney's office.
好的 我昨天告诉你的所有事情 Okay. Everything I told you yesterday
关于麻衣的事情是真的 绝对是 About Nakawara was true. Absolutely.
除了一点 他从未打过我的公司的电话 Except one thing. He never called me on my business line.
那为什么你要说他打过 Well, why did you tell me that he did?
在昨天我跟你谈之前 Before I spoke with you yesterday,
ADM公司的人要我 I was coached by the guys at ADM
告诉你他打得是我的 To tell you that he called on my
公司电话 而不是我家里的电话 Business line, not my home line.
为什么 Why?
我将要告诉你的事 牵扯巨大 What I'm about to tell you, it involves something very large.
麻衣敲诈的事不算什么事 This Nakawara extortion thing is nothing
跟那个比起来 根本不值一提 Compared to it, nothing at all.
这关系到赖氨酸的定价问题 This involves price fixing in the lysine business.
-现在 -等等 停会儿 - Now - Wait, hang on.
做笔记 Take some notes.
-好的 继续 -赖氨酸的定价问题 - Okay, go on. - Price fixing in the lysine business.
在过去几个月里 I have been in several meetings with
我参加了几次会议 Our Japanese and Korean competitors
跟我们的日本和韩国竞争者之间的会议 Over the last few months, where the
会议的唯一目的就是确定价格 Sole purpose was to fix the prices.
ADM公司让我参加这些会议 ADM made me go to those meetings.
明白了吗 这就是他们让我撒谎的原因 See, that's why they wanted me to lie.
因为麻衣打的是我家里的电话 Because the Nakawara calls came in on my home line
其他跟我们讨论定价问题的人 But so do the calls from the people
也是打的我家里电话 We're fixing prices with.
他们不想让你听见那些谈话 They don't want you to hear those conversations.
所以他们命令我告诉你 So they instructed me to tell you the
麻衣给我ADM那条电话线打电话 Nakawara calls came in on my ADM line.
但是 我意识到一旦你们 But see I realized that once you guys started
仔细调查电话记录 digging around in the records...
你们就会发现我往日本打的这些电话 ...you'd see I have all these calls to Japan.
对吧 这使我很害怕 没人比我电话更多了 Right? That's what scared me. Nobody's got more calls than me.
所以如果你们发现定价的事情 So if you figure out the price-fixing thing,
我第一个完蛋 I'd be the fall guy.
谁让你去参加这些定价的谈话的 Who told you to participate in these price-fixing talks?
我受命于米克和德维恩·安德里亚斯 I'm operating under the direction of Mick and Dwayne Andreas.
他看起来是一个真正的好人 He seems like a real good guy.
我希望他不会介意 I hope he doesn't mind me calling
我叫他布莱恩而不是谢帕德特工 him Brian instead of agent Shepard.
我差点都想称呼他布莱了 I might even try Bri out.
对他来说跟我这样的人谈话... This must be very different for him...
一定同跟银行抢劫犯或者 ...talking to a guy like me instead
毒品贩子很不一样 of a bank robber or a drug dealer.
我都能预想到我们一起钓鱼什么的 I could see us fishing or whatever.
多好的一个倾听者啊 What a good listener.
这可不是每天都能遇到的 You don't meet one of those every day.
早上好 Morning.
昨天晚上发生了什么 What happened last night?
你什么意思 没什么 他们装了一个... What do you mean? Nothing. Well, they put a...
录音机在电话上 ...recorder on the phone.
就这些吗 That's it?
是啊 Well, yeah.
他说麻衣来电话时 He said when Nakawara calls...
我就按下开关录下谈话内容 ...I just flip a switch and record the conversation.
是我 Yeah?
-接进来 -确保你这么做了 - Oh. Put her through. - Make sure you do it.
他们有很多方法查出来 They have ways of checking up.
一定的 Sure thing.
你好 亲爱... Hi, hon..
什么 What?
慢点说 亲爱的 慢... Slow down, honey, slow...
什么 What?
一磅熏猪肉 一个花生黄油三明治 A pound of bacon, a peanut butter sandwich,
一些维他命片 some vitamins.
只要ADM公司经手的东西 都经过操纵 Anything that ADM has a hand in, it's all fixed.
这就是他告诉我的 That's what he's telling me.
我意思是 基本上 I mean, basically...
我意思是 这个国家的每个人 I mean, everyone in this country
在他们吃完早餐后... is a victim of corporate crime...
都成为了公司犯罪的受害者 ...by the time they finish breakfast.
你认为汽车工厂明天造不出出一辆 You think the automobile companies can't make a car...
用一加仑汽油跑100公里的汽车吗 ...tomorrow that gets 100 miles to the gallon?
你认为在赛季到来之前 You think the TV networks don't know
电视网络不会知道 who'll win the worid series...
谁会赢得比赛冠军吗 ...before the season starts?
偏执狂就是人们为了 Paranoid is what people who are trying to take advantage...
让你放松警惕时对你的称呼 ...call you to get you to drop your guard.
我在飞行杂志中看到这句话 I read that in an in-flight magazine.
我认为ADM公司中一个 One potential problem I see moving
潜在的问题就是切夫伦这个人 ahead with ADM is this guy Cheviron.
他想要知道 He wants to be kept in on the loop
我们做的所有事情 on everything that we're doing.
我想见马克·维塔科尔 I want to meet Mark Whitacre.
你说过他们只监听一条电话线路 一条 You said they were only gonna tap one line. One line.
-他们确实只监听一条线 -事实却不是这样 - They are only monitoring one line. - That is not true.
这绝对不是真的 我刚刚 That is absolutely not true. I just
跟我妻子通过电话 got off the phone with my wife.
一个叫瑞加娜的女人给她打电话 Some woman named Regina at the phone company called her...
说我家的两个电话全被监听了 ...and said that both my lines are tapped.
我的家庭电话 My home phone.
得了吧 电话公司不可能会给你打电话说 Come on. But the phone company doesn't call people and say,
"你好 我们只是想让你知道" "Hello, we just wanted to let you know"
"FBI监听了你的电话" "that the fbi is tapping your phone lines."
那么为什么瑞加娜那么说呢 Then why would Regina say that?
她没有这么说 是你在这么说 She didn't say it. You're saying it.
给我妻子打电话 Call my wife.
-给瑞加娜打点话 -好的 马克 - Call Regina. - Fine. Mark.
我会打的 好吗 我会打的 I will. All right? I will.
很好 Good.
我不喜欢毛料的衣服 I don't like wool on skin.
甚至连芝加哥马歇尔·弗尔德百货商场的 Not even that Merino wool
美利奴羊毛也不喜欢 they have at Marshall Field in Chicago.
金吉尔喜欢因为它很合身 Ginger likes it because it's formfitting,
但是她还喜欢鳄梨 but she likes avocados.
谁会想要这样的口感呢 And who wants that texture in their mouth?
谁编出的叫瑞加娜这个人 Who'd make up someone named Regina?
这也是萨斯喀彻温省的首府的名字 It's the capital of Saskatchewan.
FBI 谢帕德 FBI, Shepard.
你好 布莱恩 我是ADM公司的马克 切夫伦 Hello, Brian. It's Mark Cheviron at ADM.
是啊 马克 Yeah, Mark.
我想跟你谈谈几天前 I was talking to you guys a couple
你们在马克·维塔科尔家 days ago about which of the lines...
监听的电话线的事 ...at Mark Whitacre's house you would be monitoring...
我们只同意了在工作线路上安装窃听器 ...and we had agreed it would only be the business line...
你们是这么做的 对吧 ...so that's all you did, right?
我真的不能回答你这个问题 I really can't answer that.
好的 Uh... okay.
谢谢你 Thank you.
我们决定了不再 We have decided we will no longer be
配合任何FBI的请求 cooperating with any further FBI requests.
我就知道 我就知道 I knew it. I knew it.
我告诉过你 你就是不听 你说的 I told you and you wouldn't listen. You said,
"只是工作线路 马克" "Just the office line, Mark."
显然 他们也在对我们撒谎 Evidently, they were lying to us too.
显然 你们不知道FBI在做什么 Well, evidently, you can't keep track of what the FBI's doing.
是我 Yeah?
这是你等的电话 马克 The call you were expecting, Mark?
给他接进来 Well, put him through.
这是我正忙着的瑞典那笔生意 It's a Swedish deal I'm working on.
-马克·维塔科尔 -你好 马克 我是布莱恩·谢帕德 - Mark Whitacre. - Hey, Mark, it's Brian Shepard.
我告诉谢帕德了 我们不再配合他了 I told Shepard we're done working with him now.
你好 很高兴接你的电话 Hi. So good to hear from you.
我想要让你跟我的上级见面 Listen. I want to bring my supervisor by to meet you.
这周末可以吗 This weekend be okay?
很好 Well, great.
安德里亚斯先生正在我的办公室 Well... So Mr. Andreas is in my office right now.
-好的 -我一会儿再跟你谈 - Okay. - So I'll talk to you later.
-好的 -很好 - Okay. - Good.
如果谢帕德给我打电话怎么办 What do I do if this Shepard guy calls?
你让我知道 然后我会告诉我的爸爸 You let me know about it, and I'll tell my dad.
但是你不要再跟他谈别的了 But you're done talking to them.
一定 Absolutely.
好了 伙计们 我再说一遍规则 Okay, guys, I'm gonna go over the rules.
不可以跑 不可以推 There's no running, no pushing,
不可以在游泳池边打闹 no horseplay by the pool.
你们扫完落叶以后 And when you have fished all the leaves out...
你们到车库里去拿游泳池的遮布 ...you go into the garage and get the cover for the pool.
你爸爸弄完之后我就去接他 And I'm gonna go get your dad when he's done...
然后他会回来检查的 ...and he's gonna come and do an inspection.
-那是什么 亲爱的 -你已经跟我们说过了 - What was that, honey? -You already told us this.
亲爱的 那我就再说一遍 Honey, well, I'm going over it again.
现在 为什么我的电话都被监听了 Now, what is the scoop with all my phones being tapped?
唯一的监听装置就是那个录音机 马克 The only listening device was the recorder, Mark.
我们在你的家庭线上有一个跟踪装置 We had a trap-and-trace device on your home line,
但是我们那条线上听不到 but we can't listen in on that.
然而 电话公司给你妻子打电话 However, the phone company calling your wife...
告诉了她我们收集情报这件事 ...and telling her about our intel gathering...
对那件事我感到惭愧 Well, my face is red on that one.
不应该发生的 Shouldn't happen.
-你带开支记录来了吗 -是的 是的 - Did you bring the expense reports? - Yeah. Yeah.
好吧 这是墨西哥的 巴黎的 香港的 东京的 Okay, this is Mexico city, Paris, Hong Kong, Tokyo.
玉米加工协会上个星期 There was a meeting of the corn refiners
在佛罗里达开了一个会 association in Florida last week.
米克和泰瑞去参加了 Mick and Terry went to that one.
他们在白天开正常会议 They were doing the regular meeting
而在晚上 during the day, and at night...
他们就跟我们的竞争对手一起 ...they'd get together with our competitors
讨论怎样垄断价格 and work out how to fix the prices.
现在你看 在大约六个月里 Now you just watch. In about six months,
一升苏打汽水 the price of a liter of soda pop...
要涨5美分 ...is gonna be about 5 cents more.
下次会议什么时候举行 Well, when's the next meeting?
一月份 在亚洲的某个地方 January. Somewhere in Asia.
马克 我得问问你 为什么你要这么做 Mark, I gotta ask you. Why are you doing this?
我们都知道你在电话线路这件事上撒谎了 We know you lied about the phone line,
你很害怕 and you're afraid of that.
但是现在你出乎意料地 But now you're telling us all this other
把所有事都告诉了我们 stuff out of the blue.
能问问你为什么吗 Can I ask you why.
因为正在发生的事情我并不赞同 Well, because things are going on I don't approve of.
现在 我是个生物化学家 一个技术人员 Now, I'm a biochemist. I'm a technical guy.
但是他们把我拖进了生意场... And they pull me into the business side...
突然我发现所有 ...and suddenly I find out all these
发生的事情都是违法的 things are going on that are illegal.
如果我想和ADM公司共同进步 If I want to grow with ADM,
我就得学习做生意 I gotta learn the business side.
突然间 我开始对人们撒谎了 And so suddenly to people, I'm lying.
他们让我对人们撒谎 They're making me lie to people.
我对你撒谎了 I lie to you.
我是说 我对那感觉非常糟糕 I mean, I feel real bad about that.
你把自己看成正义一方 You look at yourself as wearing a white
他们是邪恶的一方吗 hat and they're wearing black hats?
非常正确 就像那样 Absolutely. Something like that.
当我还是孩子的时候 When I was a kid,
我的父母死于一场车祸 my folks died in an automobile accident.
在我大约6岁时一个富人从俄亥俄州收养了我 I was maybe 6 years old and a wealthy man from Ohio adopted me.
他拥有一家游乐场 他生意干的很棒 Guy owned amusement parks. He did very well for himself.
这对来说是一个巨大的转折点 真的是转折点 I caught a big break there, real big break.
我上了一个好学校 I went to a good school and all.
现在我自己领养了两个孩子 Now I adopted two kids of my own.
我想做点好事 I'm trying to do the right thing here.
好的 马克 Well, Mark...
你认为你乐意 ...do you think you'd be wiling to go
进一步帮助我们吗 a few steps further in helping us?
那是什么意思 What does that mean?
你愿意... Would you...
随身带个窃听器吗 ...be willing to wear a wire?
现在我们没有任何信息渠道 我们... We don't have any other sources at this time. We...
我们需要你的帮助 We need your help.
我们一直会在你身边 这不容易 We'll be there with you all the way. It won't be easy.
在要开会的时候我就 I'll use my beeper to signal you
用我的传呼机给你发信号 when it's time to set up a meeting.
当你听到这个... When you hear this...
你知道的 对吗 You know. Right?
给我打电话 ...you call me.
他工作时被看得很紧... He's watched closely at work...
ADM公司很有可能监听了他的家 ...and there's reason to believe that ADM has bugged his home.
他承受着很大的压力 我的意思是 He's under a great deal of pressure. I mean,
你得为他想想 you gotta feel for the guy.
他前一天告诉了我们真相... He tells us the truth one day...
第二天醒来就身首异处了 ...and wakes up the next with two lives instead of one.
好吧 好消息是他决定醒来说出真相 Well, the good news is he decided to wake up and tell the truth.
这些花蝴蝶在美国的中心 There are these butterflies in central America.
它们有蓝色的 橘色的 和黄色的 They're blue and orange and yellow
而且它们的翅膀有毒 and have poison in their wings.
刚好足够毒死一只小鸟 Just enough poison to stop a bird heart.
但是鸟儿知道了这件事 所以它们不吃蝴蝶 But the birds know this somehow, so they don't eat them.
但是还有其他的蝴蝶 But there are other ones, butterflies...
它们也是橘色的 蓝色的 和黄色的 ...they're orange, blue and yellow too,
但是翅膀没有毒 but no poison wings.
它们就这样到处飞 从外表来看 They're just flying around, looking dangerous,
它们很危险 getting by on their looks.
嘿 马克 Hey, Mark.
-你好 布莱恩 -准备好打电话了 - Hi, Brian. - Ready to make the call?
-嘿 等一下 笨蛋 -我们就在这打吗 - Hey, wait up, dipshit. - We're gonna do it here?
我们不能在房间里打 那会出问题的 We can't get a room. There's problems with that.
嗯... Um...
我不知道 只是看起来有点 你知道 别扭 I don't know, it just kind of seems, you know, awkward.
这是我能做到的最好的了 It's the best I can do right now.
好吧 Okay.
就... Just...
把话筒对准接收器 Hold the microphone against the
我来拿录音机 receiver and I'll hold the recorder.
009... 009...
...454... ...454...
...58822 ...58822.
谢谢 Thank you.
-不 不 把它放在听筒上 -请让山本先生接电话 - No, No, put it on the receiver. - Mr. Yamamoto, please.
听筒 The receiver.
-我对准话筒了 -是听筒 你听声音用的 - I have it on the receiver. - On the receiver, where you hear.
我等候接听了 I'm on hold.
你好 山本先生 我是马克·维塔科尔 Hello, Mr. Yamamoto. It is Mark Whitacre.
你好 先生 你好吗 Hi, sir. How are you?
不 我这星期东奔西跑 真是东奔西跑 No, I'm doing a lot of traveling this week, a lot of traveling.
销售量怎么样 How are sales?
当然我们需要 对于... Certainly we need to, in terms of our...
对于我们的大客户 In terms of our big customers...
我们必须想一个好价钱 好吗 ...we definitely need to be thinking about a good price, yes?
在其它国家最好保持2.5美元... It's better to maintain a price of $2.50 in other countries...
然后美国便宜1美元 就像这样 And a dollar fly from Unite States. Just like that.
你就垄断了价格 You're already price fixing.
这太棒了 马克 这会 Well, this is great, Mark. This
证实你说的所有事 verifies everything you've been saying.
是的 Yeah.
-谢谢你 非常感谢 -是啊 当然 - Thank you. Thank you so much. - Yeah. Absolutely.
我喜欢室内游泳池 一年都可以用 I like an indoor pool. Year-round usage.
我喜欢冬天时的水蒸气 I like the steam off it in the winter.
非常有神秘感的水蒸气 Very mysterious, that steam.
马蒂... Well, Marty...
你刚开始在ADM工作时 你想要多少钱 ...when you started work at ADM, how much money did you want?
我想要50英镑 I wanted 50 grand.
但是我去告诉泰瑞 "我们" But I went and told Terry, "We can't
"不能给他少于75英镑" get this guy for less than 75."
是啊 我知道 Yeah. I know.
我为你要的 你是我第一个聘用的人 I got it for you. You were the first I hired.
马克你一直对我很慷慨 我很感激 Mark, you've always been really generous with me. And I appreciate it.
我想要你做一件事 Here's what I want you to do.
我想要你写下一个名字 I want you to write down a name.
好吧 什么名字 Okay. What's the name?
诺德克恩·凯恩米 Nordkron Chemie.
那是什么 像是尼日利亚人 What is that, like, a nigerian name or something?
我喜欢我的手 我的手 I like my hands. I think they're
大概是我身体中最喜欢的部位 probably my favorite part of my body.
我认为我的手势是我社交时的优势 I think that can be used to my advantage in social situations.
如果我能让人们注意我的手 If I can get people focused on my hands,
我就能在会议中得到个好结果 I can get a good result in a meeting.
眼神交流也很重要 Eye contact is real important too.
嘿 我要查看留言 Hey, I'm gonna check messages.
你有一条留言 You have one message.
我的电话没电了 我是工厂里面的 My phone died. I was on with the plant.
这附近有投币电话 或者公用的... Is there a payphone, a public but kind of...?
-穿过大厅 -好的 - Across the lobby. - Right.
-马克 这是一笔重要的生物产品生意 -我知道 - Mark, this is important bioproduct stuff. - I know.
你好 戴夫 霍莉最近怎么样 Hi, Dave. How's Holly doing?
-她很好 -太棒了 - She's good. - Great.
工厂里找我 It's the plant.
-FBI -布莱恩 我是马克 - FBI. - Brian, it's Mark.
我告诉过你 我这周要出城出差 I told you, I'm out of town on business this week.
这个案子已经开始得到局里的重视 The case is getting some attention from the bureau.
又有一个探员跟我一起调查 There's another agent working with me.
我现在不能说了 我要开个会 I can't talk right now. I have a meeting.
有人在等我呢 再见 I have people waiting for me. Bye.
我在这呢 戴夫 I'm here, Dave.
同时做两件事是对于成功大有帮助 Being able to do two things at once is a big part of success.
我开始试着做腹肌练习 定肌收缩运动 I try and do abdominal exercises... isometrics.
甚至是在我开会的时候 ...even when I'm at a meeting.
绷紧 挺住 Tensing. Holding.
然后放松 Then releasing.
我要用用护发素滋润头发这功夫 I'll floss in the shower while the conditioner is in my hair,
边洗澡边用牙线剔牙缝 during the part when you're just supposed to leave it in.
做些事的重大意义就是节约时间 Those things can really add up to a significant time savings.
嘿 科克 Hey, Kirk.
我要去欧洲了 I'll be heading to Europe...
我想我能亲自去交 ...and I thought I could just hand deliver
ABP的检验报告 that check for the ABP deal in person.
提醒我一下 ABP是什么 Remind me. ABP deal?
是一种苏氨酸微生物 It's a threonine microbe.
它们可以大大改善产品 They're making substantial improvements.
我们想要进入市场 这是发票 We want to get into the market. That's the invoice.
我们就先放一晚上吧 We'll just overnight it.
不 不行 我马上要去见托斯同森这个人了 No, no. I'm gonna see this Thorstensson guy,
马上就得给他了 so I'll just hand it to him.
公制系统永远不会出错 我们有尺子 The metric system never panned out. We had rulers...
一边是英寸 另一边是厘米 ...with inches on one edge, centimeters on the other.
我总说成"利米"而不是 I pronounced it "centimeters" instead of
"厘米" 但是没人纠正我 "centimeters" and nobody corrected me.
他们让我继续犯傻 They let me walk around stupid.
我并不难过我们总是转变不过来 I'm not upset we never crossed over...
但了解公制还是有好处的 ...though it's helpful to know the conversions
在去欧洲的时候 When I go to the Europe.
公升制瓶子是最近流行起来的 the liter bottle is the thing that caught on...
因为这个词更好听 公升总比夸脱强 ...because it's a nicer word, "liter" than "quart."
夸脱 Quart.
马克 又是我马蒂 Mark, it's Marty calling again.
留言已删除 Message deleted.
FBI 谢帕德探员 FBI, agent Shepard.
布莱恩 我是马克 Brian, it's Mark.
你看 想要我回电话很困难 Look, it's been hard for me to return a page...
因为我现在在国外呢 ...as I am out of the country at the moment.
听着 我们需要知道你是否 Listen, we need to know if you've had
跟麻衣有任何的进一步的联系吗 any further contact with Nakawara.
我已经告诉你了那个家伙没再打过电话 I told you already that the guy stopped calling.
好的 价格垄断的事情怎么样了 Well, what about the price fixing?
你还能录音吗 Have you been able to make any more tapes?
我认为是你们总在周围晃悠给大家吓坏了 I think you guys hanging around has everybody scared straight.
一句话我们现在开始奉公守法了 The word is we're doing everything by the book now.
米克说过都结束了 没有价格垄断了 Mick said it's over. No more price fixing.
什么 这是什么时候发生的 这次谈话 What? When did this happen, this conversation?
事情全变了 我让赖氨酸 Everything has changed. I got lysine
恢复了 病菌消失了 up and running. The virus is gone.
米克把我带到了他的办公室 他让我坐下 Mick brought me into his office, he sat me down.
他说"维塔科尔从现在起我们按你说的做" He said, "Whitacre, from now on we're doing things your way."
马克 Mark.
听着 马克 FBI了解犯罪 Look, Mark, the FBI knows about the crimes.
不管怎样我们都要调查 We're gonna investigate either way.
不管怎样 什么叫不管怎样 Either way? What does "either way" mean?
我们要通力合作 We really need to get together.
你得想其他办法了 It is a different approach there now.
我跟你说 I'm telling you, it's all...
一切都变了 Everything's changed.
我得登机了 我得走了 我走了 My plane is boarding. I gotta go. I gotta go.
-出事了吗 -没 挺好的 - Everything okay? - Yeah, fine.
孩子 Kids.
-孩子们 -孩子 (德语) - Das Kinder - Die Kinder
-刚说到哪了 -说到奖金问题 - Where were we? - We were discussing bonuses.
该谈谈法拉利车的事了 And we should be discussing ferraris.
钢笔漏水了 Full federhaltertinte.
墨水漏了你满身 You have full federhaltertinte all over your shirt.
一个日本人给我讲过个故事 One of the Japanese guys told me a story.
一个赖氨酸销售员在和 This lysine salesman is in a meeting...
康尼格拉之类的公司的人开会 ...with someone from Conagra or some other company, I don't know.
客户倚身向前 说 The client leaned forward and said
"我有条领带和你的一样 不过图案相反" "I have the same tie as you, only the pattern is reversed."
然后就倒下死了 脸拍在桌子上 And then he drops dead, face down on the table.
刚还活着 突然就死了 Alive and then dead.
脑部动脉瘤 Brain aneurysm.
或许每个人都注定有这样句话 像是定时炸弹 Maybe everyone has a sentence like that, a little time bomb.
"我有条领带和你的一样 不过图案相反" "I have the same tie as you, only the pattern is reversed."
挂了 那就是临终遗言 像是 Dead. The last thing they'll ever say. Something like...
高果糖玉米糖浆 又来这一套 High-fructose corn syrup. There it is again.
他说安德里亚斯打电话叫他去参加个营销会议 He said that Andreas called him into a marketing meeting.
他可能迟到了 He might be late.
要是他不来 If he doesn't show, the government
政府就该叫他付房费 ought to charge him for the room.
来了 And here it comes.
谢帕德 Shepard.
我今晚不能去宾馆了 我还在工作 I can't come to the hotel tonight. I'm still at work.
马克 这可是第三次了 Mark, this is the third time.
我得走了 我还有工作 I gotta go. I have work to do.
-马克 你不能总是爽约 -听着 我不能过两种生活 - Mark, you can't keep canceling. - Look, I can't live two lives.
他们刚给我加薪十万刀 They just offered me a $100,000 raise, okay?
我不想因为你们丢了工作 I'm not gonna lose my job because of you guys.
我还有家庭 我还在正在建马厩 I have a family. I'm building stables across the road.
-可你说过 -定价结束了 都结束了 - But you told us... - The price fixing is over. It's over.
米克 我马上就挂电话 Hey, Mick. I'm getting off the phone now.
马克 听着 Mark, listen to me.
你现在唯一该做的 就是合作 The only logical thing for you to do is cooperate.
我要是不合作呢 What happens if I don't?
会有别人合作的 到那时你就等着当被告吧 Then somebody else will, and you'll end up being a defendant.
录音带上什么都没有 都结束了 这是米克说的 The tapes don't say anything, because it's over. Mick said.
我们有新政策了 We have a whole new policy.
好的 如果他真这么说 Fine, if that's what he said. Then I want
那我要听听录音带 我们要带子 马克 to hear the tape. We need tapes, Mark.
好吧 我没录带子 Okay, I never made any tapes.
我没录 I never made any because there's not
因为带子上什么都不会有 gonna be anything on the tapes.
都结束了 那些都是废品 It's over, and they'd just be stupid tapes.
-马克 别这样 -怎么... - Mark, come on. - Look, how...?
那你告诉我要怎么证明给你看你才信 You tell me how I can prove it to you, and I will.
米克·安德里亚斯和他老爸绝不会为我撒谎 Mick Andreas and his dad would never lie for me.
他们说我们是一伙的 笑话 They say we're in it together. What a joke.
在威斯康辛的什么湖边开团队建设会议 Team-building offsite meetings at some lake in wisconsin.
他们犯法的话 我可保不了他们 I can't protect these guys if they're breaking the law.
我努力了呀 所有人都能看见我面临的抉择 Hey, I tried. Anybody could see the choices I had.
我对ADM仁至义尽 要不你来测谎试试 I did my best for ADM. You don't see them here in the chair.
我表现如何 Hey, how'd I do?
马克 你有麻烦了 Mark, we have some problems.
等等 我一直盯着那东西看呢 Wait a minute. I was looking at the thing.
那针尖动都没动 The needle didn't even move.
马克 你不懂怎么看测谎仪 Mark, you don't know how to read a polygraph.
但是首先 那仪器不会百分百准确 Well, first of all, they're not 100 percent accurate.
马克 你把一切都搞砸了 Mark, you splattered the walls with ink.
听着 敲诈者不会 Come on. Extortionists just don't leave
只留下名字和电话就走人的 their name and number, then go away.
我知道这很难 I know it's tough...
要把这些都憋在心里 守口如瓶 ...keeping it all bottled up inside, keeping it a secret.
但你只有这一条路可走 But there's only one good choice for you.
一直都有 That's all there's ever been.
我知道有些事你隐瞒着不告诉我们 There's something you're hiding, something you're not telling us...
但如若你想自保 ...but the only way to protect
就只能绝对坦诚 yourself is to be completely honest.
好吧 Okay.
好 Okay.
你知道 You realize...
这些拿到法庭上会对你很不利 ...that this can all be used against you in a court of law.
我会详细记录 然后你来签字 I'll have to write it all up, and you'll have to sign it.
我们要搞清楚到底发生了什么 马克 We're going to find out what's going on, Mark.
你要是不说 就别想离开这 You're not leaving this room until you tell us what's going on.
在你回答之前 So before you answer any more questions...
请你为你老婆想想 ...I want you to think about Ginger...
为你的家庭 事业想想 ...and your family, and your career.
中原是怎么回事 What happened with Nakawara?
到底有没有内鬼 Is there a mole?
有 我想 以前 Well, yeah, I think there has
在ADM肯定有个内鬼 definitely been a mole, before, at ADM.
-我瞎编的 -靠 马克 - I made it up. - Jesus, Mark.
我没办法啊 I had to.
工厂里有病毒 Look, we've had problems with viruses at the plant...
业绩达不到预期 ...and we're way behind our projections.
德维恩想要我们关门大吉 Dwayne is thinking about shutting us
大家都看着我去处理这事 down and everybody's looking to me to fix it.
好像所有的错都要我承担 就是这样 It's all "blame it on Whitacre." that's how it is over there.
我在担心我的工作 We're talking about my job here.
我大老远从欧洲来 I came all the way over from europe,
在这里安家落户 他们让我当了副总裁 relocated my family. They made me a vp.
定价的事呢 还没结束 对吧 Uh... uh... what about the price fixing? It isn't over, is it?
没有什么新动向吧 I mean, there's no new attitude, right?
定价从三周前一直持续至今 It's been going on as recently as
没有变化 three weeks ago. Nothing's changed.
不只是赖氨酸 还有柠檬酸 葡萄酸 It's not just lysine. It's citric, it's gluconate...
有个家伙反对这事 A guy left the company because he
就被赶出了公司 wouldn't do it. He was forced out.
他卖葡萄酸的 就丢了工作 The gluconate guy, he's out of a job.
我上周 在芝加哥 和味之素的人开会 I met with the guys from Ajinomoto just last month in chicago.
主题就是确定产量 The whole point was to actually set volume levels.
定量之后 瓜分市场 You set the volume levels, determine what the market is...
然后确定适当的价格 ...and then you figure out workable prices.
我们下个月还要开会 We got another meeting next month.
还有想说的就现在都说了 If there's anything else you want to add, now is the time.
还能说什么 What else is there?
1993年 3月17号 Seven-thirty a.m., march 17th...
上午7点30分 ...1993.
我刚停好车 I have parked the car. I am approaching
正向办公室入口走去 the entrance to the office.
大门坏了 Entrance breached.
泰瑞·威尔逊 我们谷物业务的总裁 Terry Wilson. President of our corn businesses.
昨晚你的日本朋友来电话了吗 Did our friend from Japan call last night?
没 没来 No, he wasn't in.
我跟三元通过话了 他很气恼 Well, I spoke with Mimoto and he is pissed.
他说要是我们不把产量降到预定水平 He says there will be no peace in lysine...
赖氨酸市场就永无宁日 ...until we bring production down to the levels we promised.
92年我们确实 Well, in '92, we did exactly what we
是言出必行 told him we would do in terms of volume.
不过现在 没门 Exactly. Now, no promise.
他说想跟你通话 He says he wants to talk to you.
是吗 那我会跟他说 Yeah? Well, I'll be right there saying,
"听着 你个下贱的婊子" "listen here, you mousy motherfucker."
这就是泰瑞·威尔逊对于 That was Terry Wilson talking about setting volume...
跟日本竞争者味之素公司 ...and price levels with our japanese competitor...
共同定量和定价的看法 ...ajinomoto corporation.
补充一点 我昨晚没有和三元通话 By the way, there was no discussion with Mimoto last night.
刚才只是举个例子而已 I did that for illustration purposes only.
重复一遍 没有和三元通过话 I repeat, no discussion with Mimoto.
-早啊 马克 -早 莉斯·泰勒 我的秘书 -Morning, Mark. - good morning, Liz Taylor, secretary.
东京
-请进 -您好 早安 - Please, come in. - Hello. Good morning.
早安 您好 早 早 Good morning. Hello. Good morning. Good morning.
在和拉丁美洲做生意前 Before we even deal with latin america...
我们要达成共识 互相通报价格 ...we have to agree that we are gonna swap numbers.
这是唯一可行的方式 It's the only way this is gonna work.
每个人都自己的目标 这是可行 Keep everybody on target. It's possible
但一定要谨慎小心 to do. Got to be very careful.
需要检查你们的电话 Need to check your phones.
抱歉 去方便一下 抱歉 Excuse me, I need a comfort break. Pardon me.
第一卷 第二面 Side two, tape one.
我已经有超过200万公里的飞行里程 I've got well over two million frequent flyer miles.
持有几乎所有航空公司的白金会员卡 I'm pretty much platinum across the board.
我每年都会收到CEO的来信 感谢信 I get a letter from the ceo every year, thanking me.
是封正式信函 看上去是他亲笔签名 It's a form letter. It looks like he really sign it.
肯定是秘书把信给他 They probably walk in and he signs like
他边打电话边签的 a hundred while he's on the phone.
巴黎 1993年10月
一切顺利 我觉得 Oh, it went great. I think we're gonna be
应该能定在1块2毛5 able to keep it at a buck and a quarter.
这是怎么了 Now what happens? Something you breathe
你在飞机上呼入的细菌 in on an airplane, some bacteria...
此时就在他的手上 茶杯上 电话上 ...and now it's in his hands, the cup, the phone.
也可能是他家小孩身上携带的 Probably got it from his kids and
而我要和这细菌共度周末 now I'll spend the weekend with it in bed.
我会因此歇几天病假 亚历山大会发烧 I'll miss a few days next week or Alexander will
可是谁来付账 run a fever and who pays for that?
我作为合作证人 FBI会向着哪边 Where does the FBI weigh in on that as a cooperating witness?
会对我暴露在空气传播污染中有什么说法 What does it say about exposure to airborne contaminants?
第七卷 第二面 芝加哥 奥黑尔 Tape seven, side two. Chicago o'hare.
重复一遍 泰瑞·威尔逊代表ADM Once again, Terry Wilson representing adm.
阿兰·克鲁伊和菲利普·罗利尔代表欧洲赖氨酸 Representing Euro Lysine, Alain Crouy and Philippe Rollier.
那是家法国公司 That's a french company.
大好的机会就在眼前 绝对的 That's a big break right there. Absolutely.
别无选择 也无可争辩 There's no choices to be made, no debate.
你就是只蚂蚁 只要吃就好了 You're an ant, you just eat it.
在有些地方行得通 ...part of the world where it works...
有些地方就不行 ...and the rest of the world where it doesn't.
不会一成不变 It will not last.
-泰瑞 阿兰 菲利普 你们好 -你好 - Terry, Alain, Philippe. Bonjour. - Hi.
我们肯定会守游戏规则 We obviously would play the game.
-可是那些韩国人和日本人 -他们作弊 - But the koreans and the japanese... - They cheat.
那就没得玩了 Then it won't work.
在别的部门玩得转 告诉他们 Well, you make it work in the other divisions. Tell them.
泰瑞不怎么喜欢我 他皮肤上有斑点 Terry doesn't like me very much. He's got blotchy skin.
那些斑点怎么来的 What causes that blotchiness?
肯定是种病 It must mean something medical.
他哪天中风了 别人会说 He'll have a stroke and someone will say,
"就是那些斑点闹的" "he was blotchy. It happens."
要是欧洲的价格上涨了 If prices went up in europe, it's
肯定是因为我们先在墨西哥谈的 because we talked in Mexico first.
没错 你们办得好 That's right. You made it happen.
十分荣幸 It was our pleasure.
马克 我们就是要这种录音带 Mark, these are just the kind of tapes we need.
安德里亚斯要给我们下逐客令了 And we're getting our marching orders
看见了吧 利润最大化 from Andreas. See? Goes right to the top.
录音效果有待提高 We need to improve the quality of these recordings.
你好呀 罗斯蒂 Hey, Rusty.
给你看个东西 Take a look at something.
觉得怎么样 What do you think?
不错的公文包 That's a nice briefcase.
等着 But wait.
还有呢 There's more.
这 That...
就是传说中的纳格拉录音机 ...is a Nagra sn.
FBI专门给我定做的 Had the bureau custom-make it for me.
马克·维塔科尔 秘密特工0014 Mark Whitacre, secret agent 0014.
为什么是0014 Why 0014?
因为我比007牛叉两倍 Because I'm twice as smart as 007.
谢谢 Ah. Thank you again.
原来在咱这工作的那妞哪去了 What happened to that girl who worked for us?
搬去加利福尼亚了吗 她叫什么来着 蒂娜? Didn't she move to california? What was her name? Tina?
哦 蒂娜 对 她要结婚了 Oh, Tina. Yeah, she's getting married.
我的蒂娜要结婚了? Ugh. My tina's getting married?
她两三周后就结婚 She's getting married two or three weeks from now.
这婚姻不会长久的 她有点傻乎乎 Well, that won't last long. She's a bit of a dodo-head.
她会回来的 She'll be back.
她可千万别怀孕了 毁了那好身段 I just hope she doesn't get pregnant and fuck up that body.
她身材真不错 怀孕的话 胸型会走样的 She had a nice body. It'll ruin her tits.
北极熊狩猎的时候会 When polar bears hunt, they crouch down
蜷伏在冰洞里等着海豹现身 by a hole in the ice and wait for a sealto pop up.
他用一只爪子盖住鼻子来隐藏自己 They keep one paw over their nose so that they blend in...
因为他的鼻子是黑色的 ...because they've got black noses.
要不是那个黑鼻子他就能完全融入雪里 They'd blend in perfectly if not for the nose.
问题是 他怎么知道自己的鼻子是黑色的 So the question is, how do they know their noses are black?
看其他的北极熊? From looking at other polar bears?
他是不是看着水里的倒影 想 Do they see their reflections in the water, and think,
"要不是它我就能隐形了" "i'd be invisible if not for that."
一只熊貌似想不了这么多 That seems like a lot of thinking for a bear.
欧文市 加州
记得开会前检查有没有窃听器 Remember to pat them down for wires before the meeting.
-什么 -新政策 - What? - Yes. New policy.
每次和日本人开会前都检查 Whenever we meet with the japanese.
开玩笑的吧 我没接到通知 You're kidding, right? I didn't get a memo.
我没接到任何通知 I didn't get any kind of memo on that.
他开玩笑的 别紧张 马克 He's kidding. Relax, Mark.
他们没胆跟ADM搞僵 They don't have the balls to mess with adm.
当一切都结束 When it's over, the board of directors
ADM的董事会会明白的 at adm is gonna understand.
他们会看到我的处境 They're gonna see the position I was in.
我在为所有人争取利益 I acted in everyone's best interest.
这将是他们唯一的结论 That's the only conclusion they can reach.
我是他们有史来最年轻的部门总裁 I'm the youngest division president they've had.
我流利掌握多门外语 I speak a number of languages fluently.
想要些咖啡或水果吗 Would you like some coffee or fruits?
不 No.
马克 不要 Mark, no.
-不 -我跟他说过摄像头在灯里 - No. - I told him the camera was in the lamp.
我们用了一年多的努力 We already spend more than one year to
争取改善赖氨酸的市场状况 get better market situation in lysine.
我们在巴黎已经谈过这点了 We talked a little bit about it in paris...
可我们还需要在产量上达成共识 ...but we need to come to an understanding on volume.
-我们有公共股东 -可不可以... - we have public shareholders. - can you...?
把镜头拉远一点 You need to widen out a little.
得看出来他们在一起商议 We need to show them working together.
如果市场扩大 谁受益呢 If the market grows, who gets it?
协和发酵 味元 第一制糖每家得2000吨 If Kyowa Hakko, Miwon and Cheil corporation each get 2000 tons...
咱们可以平分剩下的 ...we can divide up the rest.
如果我们想要保持稳定的话 If we're gonna have any stability at all.
我们需要具体的数字 We need... we need some specific number.
多少你能接受 Well, what would you be willing to accept?
这是问题所在 Isn't that really the question?
ADM吃掉了所有市场增长的部分 Adm has already eaten all the growth.
我们还没达到最大生产能力 We have a lot more capacity that we're not using.
我们还能再多生产2000吨 对吧 马克 We could be growing 20,000 tons. Isn't that right, Mark?
我得进去 把这个关了 I'm going in. We gotta shut this down.
等等 慢着 No, wait. Hold on.
-我需要你的意见 -我想他发现了 - I need your input. - I think he's got it.
他们在说巴黎 They talk about paris.
-我不懂 -巴黎的会议 - I can't understand. - The meeting in paris.
我们的董事会很大 We have a big board of directors.
他们有很多董事 还有股东 They have a big board of directors. And shareholders.
都会遭受很大损失 And they're all suffering together.
可是协议在哪 这只是个商讨 Well, where's the agreement? I mean, this is just a discussion.
要是没有协议 他们在那干什么 If there isn't an agreement, what are they doing there?
你太拘泥于谈话的内容了 You're getting bogged down with the words.
只看他们的行为 Just look at the actions.
看他们在干什么 Look what happens right here. Okay?
看见他干什么了吗 See what he's doing?
我看了 只看到一个图表和一堆文字 Yeah, I've looked and I just see a chart with a bunch of words.
根本都没有数字 I don't even see any numbers on that. I mean,
我看不出你说的协议 I can't pinpoint an agreement as you say.
你还想要什么 那家伙站在那 What more do you want? The guy is standing there...
分市场 一清二楚 ...dividing up the market, plain as a day.
可能只是个提议 It could just be a proposal.
别的公司不在场 All the other companies weren't there.
没人用"协议"这个词 No one used the word "agreement."
我只想说 从司法部门的角度看 I'm telling you. From the perspective of
证据不全 the justice department, it is not enough.
我们还要开个会 We're having another meeting to work
讨论赖氨酸的事项 out some of the issues in lysine.
要分配产量 We have to divide up the volumes and
为各市场定价 set prices for some of the markets.
又是欧洲? Europe again?
欧洲不行了了 Europe is out.
那正在进行水泥建筑业的 There is a price-fixing investigation in
反定价调查 the cement manufacturing business there.
大家都吓得魂飞魄散 我们不去那 It's got everybody spooked, so we're not going there.
我们不能去日本录像 那没用 We can't videotape in japan. That's not gonna help us.
夏威夷 Hawaii.
-夏威夷? -夏威夷 - hawaii? - hawaii.
1994年3月
好啦 大家都... Okay. So everybody just...
晕 马克 这也太小了吧 真屎 Goddamn it, Mark. Look at the size of this. That's bullshit.
你能去打电话换个大点的房间吗 Can you call and get us a bigger room?
-他们只有这间房 -请您去打个电话好吗 - This is the only room they have. - will you call them, please?
我去 我去 请自便 I will. I will. Make yourselves at home,
请便 我打 我去打 please. I'll call. I'll call.
你们还有大一点的套房吗 Do you have a suite perhaps that's a bit more roomy for us?
玛库拉套间 最大的一套吗 听起来不错 The Makuaha room. Is that your biggest room? It sounds big.
但是有人订了 订了一整天吗 But it is, I see. And for the whole day?
那么只有现在这间 我们就只能在这儿了 Okay, so this is it. We're here, we're stuck.
好吧 我们凑合一下 谢谢 Okay, then we'll make do. Thank you.
看来就是这里了 确定没处换 Looks like we are here to stay, definitely...
各位请就座 ...so let's settle in, and...
开始吧 ...start.
别啊 Oh, no.
首先欢迎诸位到场 Well, I'd like to welcome everybody here.
让我来 等我一下 Let me just... indulge me for a second.
如果椅子放在这边可能更舒服 I think you might be more comfortable if I move the chair...
干得好 马克 Thattaboy, Mark.
ADM公司有句老话 现在说挺合适 We have an old saying at ADM. I think it applies here.
巨头们一致对外 "It's better to have the elephants inside the tent pissing out...
比相互之间狗咬狗要好得多 ...than outside the tent pissing in."
狗咬狗什么意思 Outside piss?
同行结盟更好 It's better to be part of the group.
意思是 顾客是我们的对头 What he's saying is, the customers are our enemy.
竞争同行才是朋友 The competitors are our friend.
制造商们都参与进来很重要 It's important we have all the producers involved,
包括第一制糖集团 including the Cheil corporation.
我想问问为什么以前 I want to know why we have been
我们都被排除在联盟之外 excluded from association in the past.
我们需要加入其中 We need to be part of this.
-不好意思 -如何确定ADM公司 - Yeah. - How can we know that ADM will stay...
只在共识范围内行动呢 ...at agreed-upon levels?
最好可以做到相互信任 就这么简单 Well, it would be our preference that we simply trust each other.
如果一旦发现有人越界 And if we find out someone's been lying...
那就找黑手党做掉他 ...we'll just hire some Mafia figure to rub you out.
这样确实有些草莽 That's just a little bit of levity of course...
关键是如果达不到互相信任 ...but the point is that if we can't trust each other...
一切都是空话 ...ain't gonna work.
你觉得可以吗 You are Okay with that?
我没问题 Yes. I am all right.
那么是说 So, what are we saying?
听不懂英语吗 马克 Well, what, do you have a language problem, Mark?
我们全都 Then we are all...
-同意 -太好了 - Agreed. - Yes.
共识 听见了吧 Agreement. You heard it.
-恭喜 -这对陪审团会很有用 - Congratulations. - Jury's gonna love that.
干得好 Well done. You did it.
老天 这个维塔科尔什么情况 他是什么背景 Christ. How about this guy Whitacre? What's his story?
-什么 -这家伙如何安排日程 - What do you mean? - What's his agenda?
一年赚35万美金 The guy's making 350 grand a year,
升了高职 结果当了告密者 moving up a ladder and he turns informer.
这是什么时候的事情呢 他赚的钱有到他鼻子那么高了吧 When does that happen? Is the money going up his nose?
这么多商务旅行 难道他只跟老婆孩子 Some woman somewhere with a kid he's
在某趟旅途中匆匆见个面吗 seeing on one of these business trips?
到底是怎样的故事 What's his story?
希望你能看看这个 We wanted to show you this.
马克·维塔科尔和家人的合影 That's a picture of Mark Whitacre and his family.
我们一直带着 We carry that with us all the time...
不断提醒自己他也是个有血有肉有感情的人 ...as a constant reminder that he is a real person...
有家庭要养活 ...with a real family depending on him.
能拿到这些带子的唯一原因 The only reason we have any of these
就是这个人 tapes is because of this man.
我们想知道 We want to know when the time comes...
当他因此丢掉工作时 ...if he loses his job...
政府会帮助他吗 ...will the government stand behind him?
-马克你傻吗 -金吉尔 最后只有我会留下 - Mark, are you an idiot? - Ginger, I'll be the only one left.
米克会走 泰瑞会走 德维恩也会走 Mick will be gone. Terry will be gone. Dwayne will be gone.
我懂产品技术也懂怎么谈生意 I am a scientist and I understand the business side.
我是经营ADM公司的唯一人选 I'm the only one qualified to run ADM.
马克 这毫无道理 Mark, that's completely illogical.
拖了公司的后腿还能留下来吗 How can you stay there when you've taken down the company?
因为他们需要我去经营 Because they need me to run the company.
首先 我对公司来说极其有价值 First of all, I'm extremely valuable to the company.
第二 这么做是正确的 And secondly, I did the right thing.
好吗 董事会会明白的 Okay? The board is gonna see that.
也会尊敬我所做的 The board's gonna respect that.
FBI告诉你的吗 他们在给你洗脑 It's the FBI, right? They're brainwashing you.
布莱恩·谢帕德给你灌输了这些思想 It's Brian Shepard putting ideas in
让你心甘为他工作 your head to keep you working for him.
他们会助我当下一个ADM公司总裁 I'm telling you, they will make me the next president of adm.
就是这样吗 So this is it, huh? Yup.
家人情况如何 How's your family doing?
很好 你们行动的时候 Good. They're gonna be at an amusement
他们在一个游乐园 park when you guys make your move.
不管明天发生什么 为了最大程度保护你的个人利益 Whatever happens tomorrow, I think it's in your best interest...
你要为你自己找个辩护律师 ...to get an attorney who's gonna represent your interests alone.
-现在就要找吗 -不是现在 - You want me to get an attorney now? - No, not now.
首先 公司律师会给每一位高管 First, the company lawyers are gonna
提供一份辩护律师名单 come to all the executives...
你们可以从中挑选 ...with a list of attorneys to pick from.
不过得明白 这些人是ADM公司花钱雇的 You've gotta understand, these attorneys are paid for by ADM.
他们不是代表你个人 They don't represent you.
别从那名单里选 Do not pick one of these attorneys.
说你要自己找律师 Tell them you have your own attorney.
你得告诉他们 You need to tell them that you're
你与政府合作 cooperating with the government.
说有合作无可厚非 It's perfectly reasonable for you to cooperate.
我认识个在迪凯特工作的律师 我会咨询他 I think I know a lawyer in decatur. I'll talk to him.
别在城里找 The town is too small.
在生意往来中 你肯定认识了一些不错的律师吧 I'm sure you've met lawyers in your
能搞定这事儿的 business dealings that could handle this.
当然 Definitely.
现在听我说 马克 Now, Mark? Mark?
一旦行动开始 就将很紧张 Once this starts, it is going to be intense.
他们会知道有内线 They are going to know that somebody
与我们合作 was on the inside working with us.
还会用一切必要手段去查是谁 And they're gonna do almost anything to find out who it is.
不过你们确定我还会在公司平安无事吧 But you guys still think I'm gonna be Okay at the company, right?
你们会抓住犯法的人 I mean, you guys are gonna take down
我会平安吧 the bad guys, but I'll be okay, right?
重要的是 Well, I think it's important to remember...
记住之前说过的话 ...what we talked about before, and
现在还要记住 what we're talking about right now...
告诉他们 ...is tell them...
-你跟政府在合作 -明白 - ...you're cooperating with the government. - I know.
我只是问是否 But I'm just asking if you guys think
我还能在公司平安无事 I'm gonna be okay at the company.
公司的理念将因你有些小变化 The corporate culture's gonna change a little bit for you.
我同意 I should say so.
-是的 -我们应该集中精力在突袭上 - Yeah. - We should just focus on the raid.
-对吗 -是的 - Right? - Yes.
-马克这是你编的吧 -不是 阿彻 ADM里面的A - Mark, you're making that up. - No, Archer, the A in ADM...
1947年被一根鸡骨头噎死 ...choked to death, 1947, on a chicken bone.
事实 Fact. Fact.
这些话居然从一位博士 马克·维塔科尔口里说出来 Well, there you have it, from Mark Whitacre, ph.D.
知道博士代表什么吧 You know what the ph.D. Stands for, don't you?
就是多扯淡 Piled higher and deeper.
让我猜猜 丹尼尔斯(D)是被头猪杀死的 Heh. Let me guess. Daniels was killed
米兰德(M)被奶牛踩死 by a pig and the cows got Midland.
一只鸡做掉了亚彻 告诉你 在这50年后 A chicken got Archer. I'll tell you, 50 years later...
跟我做生意的泰森农场 福斯特农场 ...our deals with Tyson farms, Foster farms...
对方要死多少人? ...what's the body count?
威尔逊先生 维塔科尔先生 我是鲍勃·赫顿 FBI探员 Mr. Wilson, Mr. Whitacre, I'm Bob Herndon and I'm an FBI agent.
-这位是特派员谢帕德 -怎么回事 - This is special agent Shepard. - What is going on?
-维塔科尔先生 麻烦你走一趟 -我不知道 - Mr. Whitacre, would you come with me? - I don't...
-我毫无所知 -维塔科尔先生请 - I have no idea what this is about. - Mr. Whitacre, please.
-请跟我们走 -需要律师吗 - Could you come with us? - Do I need a lawyer?
-泰瑞 律师吗 -抱歉 - A lawyer? Terry. - Excuse me.
一次我在香港某个餐厅 救了个人 I saved a guy once at a restaurant in HongKong.
他噎住了 我用椅子顶他的背 He was choking and I got him to throw
救了他一命 himself over the back of his chair.
逢年过节他给我寄卡片只是为了说声谢谢 He sends me cards on holidays just to say thanks.
唠叨他孩子在上什么课 他记得我 Tells me what his kids are studying. He remembers me.
其实地方消防队开的急救课程中就包含这讲 You can take first-aid courses from your local Fire department.
你在我客户面前 You got a reason for embarrassing my
让我和我的同事如此下不来台 能解释吗 colleague and I in front of a business prospect?
这件事很重大 This is a serious matter.
是有关价格垄断的国际调查 It involves an international investigation into price fixing.
你和你老板米克·安德里亚斯与竞争对手串通一气 We have seen you and your boss, Mick Andreas...
去制定价格我们都看到了 ...conspire with your competitors to fix prices.
看到是你在主导 We have seen you tell others to do it.
你们将被起诉 There will be indictments.
搜查令已经发出 Search warrants have been issued.
某些你认识的同事 And some people, people who you know
会进监狱 and work with, will be going to jail.
看 Look at that.
看 泰瑞和鲍勃 Look at that. Look at Terry and Bob.
真希望我是那墙上的苍蝇 Oh, I wish I could be a fly on that wall.
我演技很好吧 是不是看起来真的很害怕 Oh, hey, I was good, right? Didn't I seem really scared?
当时我真有些害怕 I actually felt scared.
记得给你说的了吗 Remember what we told you, all right?
说明你在与政府合作 Tell them you're that cooperating first thing...
-还有别用他们的律师 -了解 - and whatever you do, do not take one of their lawyers. - Right. No.
你跟那问话的说什么了 What'd you say to your guy?
什么都没说 慢点儿开 Nothing, I told him nothing. Slow down.
我也是 什么都没说 Me neither. I said nothing.
他说他有价格制定会议的录像带 真是见鬼 He said that he had price-fixing tapes. What the fuck is that?
我敢打赌电话被窃听了 Well, I bet they have the phones tapped.
我一直说 就是电话的问题 I always said that. It's the phones.
真不敢相信他们对德维恩·安德里亚斯下手 I can't believe they would pull this shit on Dwayne Andreas.
我也在接电话 Look, I get phone calls from time to time.
知道 I know, I know.
老天 Oh, god.
去找律师吧 我不想用电话 We're going to the lawyers. I don't want to use the phones.
听见了没 电话 See? The phones.
他们窃听了所有人 我父亲 施密特 兰登 They hit everybody. My dad, Schmidt, Randall.
见鬼 Oh, fuck me.
他们播了一盘有我在场的录像 No, they played me a tape of me.
跟可恶的日本人在开会 叫了律师 Some meeting with the fucking Japanese. I called the lawyers.
-我们去律师那 -是吗 他们放了盘录像带 - We're gonna go there. - Yeah? They played a tape.
该死的从哪里搞来的录像带 How the fuck did they get a tape?
我觉得他们不知道多少事情 I really don't think they have that much.
如果想把我们的所作所为都算清楚 When you factor in everything we've done for them...
够律师干上10年的了 也许来点罚款 ...this will be a 10-year thing for the lawyers. Maybe a fine.
事情最后只能这样 相信我 That's all this is ever gonna be. Trust me.
-进行的怎么样 -很顺利 - How's it going? - Good.
FBI FBI.
是的 他在 密切尼克律师 有位特帕斯探员找 Yeah, he's here. I got agent Temples for attorney Mutchnik.
我是詹姆斯·密切尼克 This is James Mutchnik.
我刚见过一个ADM职员 科克 施密特 Just interviewed an ADM employee, Kirk Schmidt.
施密特知道我们的突袭行动 Schmidt knew we were coming.
说他很早就知道 Says he knew about the raid days ago.
是维塔科尔告诉他的 He says Whitacre told him.
谢谢 Thanks.
-他看到你坐在窗旁 -鲍勃 布莱恩 - He sees you sitting in the window and... - Bob. Brian.
我能跟你们说几句吗 Can I talk to you guys for a second?
太完美了 你们应该现场去看 That was amazing. You guys should have seen it.
泰瑞很害怕 Oh, Terry was so scared, and Mick
米克和律师们他们只是 and the lawyers, they were just...
-他们很恼火 -很好 - They were pissed. - That's super.
他们以为你们会直接给我一击 They thought you guys gave me the once-over.
还很担心问你还好吗 我说还好 They're like, "you all right?" I'm going, "yeah."
-录带子了吗 -当然录了 很精彩 - Did you make a tape? - Yeah, I made a tape. A great one.
真的很精彩 Really good.
那么完事了吧 So it's over, then.
马克 Mark...
你跟谁讲了 ...who did you tell?
-什么 -你跟谁说了突袭的事情 - What? - Who else did you tell about the raid?
我得告诉我的秘书 I had to tell my secretary.
伙计们 我可是生物制品部门的领导 Guys, I'm the head of the bioproducts division.
她要知道怎样联系我 She has to know where to get in touch
我几个月前就告诉她了 with me. I told her months ago.
我只说 莉斯 我跟FBI有些合作 So all I said was, "Liz, I'm doing some work with the FBI.
也许偶尔你会联系不到我 I might be out of touch for a while."
这是这些 她对这案子一点也不知道 That's it. She had no idea about our case.
我很确定有 I'm pretty sure I've mentioned the
一两次提过我部门里 name Kathy Dougherty a time or two...
凯特·道夫特的名字 ...in my division.
凯特是朋友 是可靠的盟友 Kathy is a friend. She is a trusted ally.
我不想她担忧 I didn't want her to be scared.
你为什么那样做 为什么告诉道夫特 Why would you do that, Mark? Why would you tell Dougherty?
因为我不想她担忧 我信任她 Because I didn't want her to be scared. I trust her.
-伙计们 我们可以相信凯特 -还有谁 - Guys, we can trust Kathy. - Who else?
别玩花样 马克 Don't jack us around, Mark.
科克 施密特 我是指施密特 Kirk Schmidt. I mean, Schmidty...
我是怕他不会对你们开口 Look, I was afraid that he wouldn't say anything to you guys.
他对我非常忠诚 That he'd clam up on account of he's loyal to me.
你可能会毁了这次行动 You could have ruined this entire operation.
出差错了吗 出差错了吗 Has anything gone wrong? Has anything gone wrong?
都停下 别吵了 Time out. Time out. Time out.
马克 你知道在我们看来你所做的是错误的 Mark, you know what you did, in our eyes, was wrong.
-这本应该保密 -这次我们能解决 - It was supposed to be a secret. - Look, we can get past this.
不过还有其他隐瞒吗 But is there anything else that we need to know?
没有 No.
我想不到 No, not that I can think of.
记住 Remember...
告诉他们你会找自己的律师 ...tell them you're getting your own lawyer.
我清楚律师的事情 布莱恩 I know about the lawyers, Brian!
马克·维塔科尔 奥布里·丹尼尔 Mark Whitacre, Aubrey Daniel.
很高兴见到你 这件案子我是ADM公司的代表律师 Pleasure to meet you. I'm representing ADM in this matter.
好的 Okay.
-这位是约翰·唐德 我的同事 -早上好约翰 - This is John Dowd, a colleague of mine. - Good morning, John.
德维恩分配我们到你这边儿来负责 Dwayne has filled us in on your responsibilities here, so...
奥布里是在越南米莱大屠杀案子中 Aubrey prosecuted Lieutenant Calley
卡利中尉的原告律师 after the My Lai Massacre in Vietnam...
所以本件案子对他来说小菜一碟 ...so this ought to be a cakewalk for him.
希望你能与约翰谈谈 We were hoping you'd have time to talk to John.
-当然 -ADM公司是你的坚强后盾 马克 - Sure. - ADM's behind you on this, Mark.
父亲和我希望高层都知道 Dad and I want all the key people to know...
我们会为你这边的法律费用买单的 ...that we're gonna be paying all your legal fees.
太好了 谢谢 Oh, great. Great. Thank you, that's great.
那就不打扰让你二位熟悉了 Then... then we'll let you fellas get acquainted, okay?
好的 Okay.
-怎么样还好吧 -还好 请坐 - How you holding up, Mark? Thanks. - Good. Please, sit down.
-约翰我能问些事情吗 -当然 随便问 - John, can I ask you something? - Sure, anything.
如果我给你透露些信息 If I say something to you, are you allowed
你不能跟米克和德维恩说吧 to say anything to Mick and Dwayne?
他们来了 Oh. Here we go.
我必须告诉你们我将和FBI合作 I need to tell you I'm gonna be cooperating with the FBI.
他们有上百的录像带 They have hundreds of tapes.
了解赖氨酸的情况 They know all about lysine.
约翰同意我需要再请一位律师 And John here agrees with me I should be probably getting another lawyer.
没问题 Oh. No question about it.
我对一切这些都表示抱歉 I want to say sorry for everything that's happened.
抱歉 Sorry?
这什么意思 What's that?
说出来感觉真好 拨云见日 It feels good to talk, to clear the air.
我一直感觉像个气球 You get to be like a balloon after a while...
需要找根针来扎一下 ...A balloon looking for a pin to
来释放压力 bump into and relieve the pressure.
这种压力让人生病 You could get sick from keeping it
长肿瘤或者什么 inside and get a tumor or something.
这可不是我想要的 I didn't ask for that.
我有个大学朋友开了家律师事务所 I have a friend from school who has a law practice.
他说律师绝不能乱谈论自己的案子 And he's always telling me how they can't talk about their cases.
就像在公司 可以告诉律师任何事情 Like in the firm. You can tell them anything.
他们却必须保密 They have to keep it to themselves or they
不然就会有麻烦 他们守口如瓶 get in a lot of trouble. They're boxed.
他们自己说的 守口如瓶 That's what they say boxed.
所以根本就没有什么破坏者 你编造的吗 So there wasn't a saboteur at all. You made that up?
也许有 我是说 很可能有 Well, maybe there was. I mean, there could have been.
好吧 Okay.
ADM公司从日本人那里偷技术 ADM steals technology from the Japanese...
所以反过来 ...so I wouldn't put it past the
日本人也可以偷我们的 Japanese to do the same thing to us.
但当我给FBI说我编造了这个部分 But once I told the FBI that I'd made that part up...
他们就说我没的选择 ...they said I had very little choice
只能合作当证人 but to be a cooperating witness.
所以你开始录带子 录了多少 And you began making tapes. How many tapes did you make?
200多卷 There are over 200 tapes.
世界上有很多善良的人 There are so many really nice people in
愿意伸出援手的人 the worid, people who want to help out.
不错的邻居 安静的聆听者 Good neighbors, good listeners.
比如密西西比河发洪水 Like when they had floods in Mississippi...
当地居民损失了一切 勉强住在学校体育馆里 ...and people lose everything and are sleeping in a school gym...
总会有人 ...someone always shows up with a
带着温暖的大衣和自制的炖肉出现 warm coat and a homemade pot roast.
这就是为什么金吉尔和我 That's why Ginger and I bought that girl a
给脊髓受伤的那女孩送了台电脑 computer after she had the spine injury.
这样的事情可以改变很多 That kind of thing really makes a difference.
吉姆让我觉得他就是这种人 Jim here strikes me as that kind of guy.
百里挑一 Yoou can tell he's the one-in-a-hundred guy who,
但你去急诊室的时候 when you come into the emergency room...
你庆幸你的幸运星正守护着你 ...you thank your lucky stars it is watching.
非正当竞争 随便称呼 ...illegal campaign contributions, whatever.
随便你们怎么定性 Whatever we're talking about.
所以我回来后 大约每周有两晚 So then I'd come back. Two nights a week or so...
布莱恩 鲍勃和我一起合作 ...Brian and Bob and l would get together, and we'd...
开始了整项调查 You know, we'd work it. We'd build the investigation.
准备好所需的一切 收集资料 Get everything we needed, gather all the information.
然后我们去司法部 向那些律师做简报 Then we went to DOJ, briefed those lawyers...
在你知道前 我们已经在打击ADM and before you knew it, we were hitting ADM,
突袭那里 把他们拿了下来 raiding the place, taking it down.
那么你做线人有多久了 And for how long did you do this? Work as an informant?
两年半 Two and a half years.
我一直幻想这一切结束后 You know, and I always thought
我能回到ADM继续工作 there'd still be a place for me at ADM when this whole thing was over.
我的许多朋友仍在那里工作 I still have a lot of friends there.
很多的朋友 A lot of friends.
马克 Mark...
记住一点 你是不能和其他人讨论这个案子的 it's very important to your case you not discuss this with anyone else.
明白吗 Okay?
包括你的同事们 你的朋友们 These people you work with, your friends,
将来他们都有可能会站出来指证你 they could end up being witnesses.
从今往后你只能 So Bob and I are the only people
同我和鲍勃谈论这个案子 you talk to about this from now on.
明白吗 你什么都可以跟我们说 All right? And I want you to know that you can tell us anything.
-好的 -好吗 -好的 - Okay. - Okay? - Yeah.
记者们一直来我家要采访我 Well, they kept coming to the house and
他们只知道ADM的说一切 they only had ADM's side of the story.
马克 你和《华尔街日报》说了吗 Did you talk to the Wall Street Journal, Mark?
他们怎么说 What did you say?
你不能向媒体说明事情的原委 It's real important that you not talk to the press.
我吗 我跟他们说无可奉告 不过这无关紧要 Me? I told them I had no comment, but it didn't matter.
他们已经知道前因后果了 他们已经知道了 They had the story anyway. They already had it.
看见我在报纸上的图像没 挺帅的 Did you see my stipple portrait? It's pretty good.
靠 Oh, shit.
请问你对电视上那些对你的指控有何感想 I'd appreciate any comment you can make on the allegations on the TV.
简单说一下吧 你会说什么呢 Just a quick comment. What do you have to say?
我是来告诉你们 I came out to tell you that
此时我无法向媒体发表任何言论 I'm not allowed to talk to the press at this time.
那你可以谈谈你的这种行为 At least any comment on the effects of your actions...
将对ADM的下滑的股价产生何种影响 on ADM's declining stock prices?
对于你的同事和朋友被窃听你作何感想 What's been the reaction of your friends and your co-workers being taped?
我只对现有的调查感兴趣 Well, I'm a person of interest in an ongoing investigation.
你觉得你和你的家人可以安全的留在迪凯特吗 Do you believe you and your family can safely stay in Decatur?
-抱歉 -政府有没有安排你们搬家 - Sorry - Has the government made arrangements to move you?
我们一直接到恐吓电话 We're still getting the threatening phone calls.
而德维恩和泰瑞一直跟人们说 And I know for a fact that Dwayne and Terry
他不是一个好员工 不能信任他 have been telling people that he wasn't a good worker and he can't be trusted.
我们跟马克说过 We told Mark.
他得对这些意外做好心理准备 We told him that he had to expect the unexpected...
他可能被舆论攻击 that he might be attacked
在此次事件里 公众不会站在他这边 that he wasn't gonna win any popularity contests for this.
他每天无所事事 Well, he just mopes around here all day...
要么在新闻里寻找自己的身影 watching the news, looking for a glimpse of himself.
要么就打电话给ADM的人 Or he's calling someone from ADM,
询问最新的小道消息 trying to get the latest gossip.
或许你们可以在听证会开始之前暂时出城去 Maybe you guys should get out of town until the hearings start.
他得对外封口 He's got to stop talking to people.
FBI没有强迫我合作 Well, the FBI never forced me to cooperate.
我没有欺骗布莱恩·谢帕德 I don't owe Brian Shepard the truth.
我给了布莱恩·谢帕德两年半的时间去调查 I mean I gave Brian Shepard two and a half years of my life
现在我可以正式起诉ADM了 and now I have legal bills to show for it.
在这一事件里 我是与ADM对抗的好人 And I'm the good guy in this, the guy who took on ADM.
布莱恩·谢帕德会因此而失业吗 Is Brian Shepard gonna lose his job for that?
他会因此而被扣工资吗 His standard of living?
在"职业介绍日"那天我去了当地的中学 I've gone to the local junior high school on career day
向孩子们讲解生化知识 and talked to the kids about biochemistry...
以及该行业的就业前景 and the career opportunities available.
布莱恩·谢帕德和鲍勃·赫顿会说这些吗 Can Brian Shepard and Bob Herndon say that?
我是个英雄 I'm the white hat.
我对布莱恩·谢帕德仁至义尽了 I did enough for Brian Shepard.
谁来照顾我呢 Who's gonna take care of me?
谁能帮我接送孩子们去上游泳课 Who picks the kids for swimming lessons?
谁能在中学里 Who has a plaque in the high school
为马克·维塔科尔树立环境奖 for the Mark Whitacre environmental award?
当马克·维塔科尔遭人陷害时 我的朋友们在哪 Where are your friends when it's dump on Mark Whitacre?
哪里有肉吃 哪里有衣穿 Where's the pot roast and the warm coat?
你可以看见他粘贴的地方 You can see where he pasted it.
他他妈的是个造假者 He's a fucking forger.
-马克·维塔科尔 -马克 你好 我是奥布里·丹尼尔 - Mark Whitacre. - Hello, Mark. It's Aubrey Daniel.
是这样的 我在米克·安德里亚斯的办公室 Listen, I'm here in Mick Andreas' office
你对列纳特·桑特森 We were wondering does the name
这个名字有印象吗 Lennart Thorstensson mean anything to you?
还有诺德克恩化工 你想起什么没 What about Nordkron Chemie? Does that ring a bell?
等会我让人和你联系 I'll have someone get back to you on that.
当然 Oh, sure. You do that.
-他等会儿再和我们联系 -当然 - He's going to call us back. - Sure.
我的律师要我别跟你们说话 可是 My lawyer's telling me not to talk to you guys, but...
有件事我一直想告诉你们 there's something I've been wanting to talk to you about.
什么都别说 Don't tell us anything.
你现在有律师 情况已跟以前大为不同 You have a lawyer now and it's not like it was before.
我们不会问你任何问题 We are not asking you.
好吧 如果我只是说一些"假设" Okay, what if I just put out some hypotheticals?
我告诉你们一些假设的财务状况 And, you know, I'll talk about certain financial situations...
然后你们告诉我这些行为是否违法 and you guys can tell me if they're wrong
以及他们的严重性 or how serious they might be.
比方说 Okay, for instance...
如果 what if...
一家公司给主管配一辆车 我是说公车 a company gave an executive a car? You know, a corporate car.
他不仅仅开去上班 And instead of driving that to work...
他还用作私用 he drove his personal car
并且把这辆公车送给了他的女儿 and he gave the company car to his daughter.
这种行为违法吗 Would that be a problem?
就这些吗 That's it?
这就是那些假设吗 That's the hypothetical?
这不算什么问题 That shouldn't be a problem.
好吧 Okay.
如果这是一辆飞机呢 What if it was a corporate plane...
这位主管将飞机用作私用 and the executive was using that for personal use?
没什么区别嘛 Oh. Basically the same thing.
也许会有些税务麻烦 不过 Maybe some IRS issues, but...
好吧 Okay.
那么如果 What if...
在ADM内部管理层收受现金回扣 it was standard practice at ADM
是一个约定俗称的习惯呢 for executives to regularly accept kickbacks in cash?
这牵涉的数额有多大 How much money are we talking about...
马克 Mark?
布莱恩 如果是50万美金呢 Well, Brian, hypothetically, $500,000.
-多少 -这是ADM的行事规则 - How much? - It's the way things are done there.
知道吗 不只是我一个人这么做 Okay? I'm not the only one who was doing it.
所有人都这样 Everybody's doing it.
马克 什么时候开始的 When did this start, Mark?
1991年12月 December 1991.
你 You
支付方式是什么 How were you paid?
支票 Paid by check.
这张支票被分散在多个账户里 A check is deposited in various accounts...
每个账户的总额不会超过1万美金 and always under the amount of $10,000.
那在我们见面之后 And did any of these checks come in...
你还收过这些支票吗 after we met?
也许吧 Maybe.
马克·维塔科尔在他去瑞士公干的时候 Two-point-five million dollars,
把这250万美金 deposited into an account in Switzerland...
存在瑞士的一个定期存款账户里 while Mark Whitacre was there on ADM business.
现在我们从ABP公司的列纳特·桑特森先生 Now, we have sworn testimony...
那里得到了证词 from Mr. Lennart Thorstensson of the ABP corporation...
他说他从未见过这份合同 that he has never seen this contract,
这份签名是伪造的 and that his signature is forged.
他本人以及他的公司从未收到过这张支票 Neither he nor his company have ever received this check.
现在一切都是明摆着的 Now, it is clear to us that Mark Whitacre
马克·维塔科尔为了一己私欲 driven by his own boundless ambition to take over ADM...
编造了一起价格操控密谋 has attempted to frame his superiors...
以栽赃他的上级从而操纵ADM in a price-fixing conspiracy of his own invention.
他与政府联手只不过是 His cooperation with the government
为了掩盖他的谎话以及他的那些偷盗之事 merely a smokescreen to hide his lying, cheating and stealing.
我们将把这额外信息 We have additional information
告诉雷诺的总检察长 that we are willing to share with attorney general Reno
维塔科尔在他的FBI的伙伴完全知情的情况下 that the money has since been moved to Grand Cayman...
把这笔钱移至开曼群岛 with the full knowledge and complicity of Whitacre's FBI partners.
他们指控我们什么罪名 说具体一点 What are they accusing me of? I want the specifics.
他们说我跟他是一伙的吗 Are they saying I'm in cahoots with the guy?
我们与维塔科尔签的协议的第八章 Paragraph 8 in our agreement with Whitacre...
表明他的行为直接受 states that his actions are directly attributable...
FBI和美国政府管制 to the FBI and the United States government.
他们声称在我们管制他的期间 They're saying he stole two and a half
他窃取了250万美金 million dollars while we were running him.
我们怎会知道他的那些勾当 But how could we know what he was doing?
是他主动来找我们的 He came to us.
他不会问"我们怎么知道" The question they're asking isn't "how could we know?"
而是"我们为什么不知道" It's "why didn't we know?"
不对 问题是他们是否"操纵价格" No. The question is, "were they price fixing?"
我们已经把调查从ADM转至维塔科尔 The investigation has shifted from ADM to Whitacre.
当然 当ADM发觉维塔科尔为我们工作 Ha. Of course. Adm decides Whitacre's a thief...
他们就裁决他是小偷 as soon as they find out he's working for us.
那250万美金失踪了这么多年 Who's counting money of theirs
他们都没有察觉吗 if they can lose two and a half million for a few years,
然后竟然在短短数小时内就发觉了 and then find it in a few hours?
我们得呼叫马克 We gotta call Mark.
-我不希望你们那么做 -你们被暂时停职了 - I don't want you to do that. - We're taking you off.
就这样吗 That's it?
就这样结束了吗 We're done?
我一直以为FBI不会对证人坐视不理 I thought the FBI never hung a witness out to dry.
他不再是证人 他是调查目标 He's not a witness anymore. He's a target.
我只拿了150万美金 I only kept a million and a half dollars.
150万而已 米克都知道的 a million and a half. And Mick knew about it.
这些事他都知道 He knows these things went on.
都是他教我的 Who do you think taught me to do it?
你不能胡说啊 谁知道他们知道什么呢 You can't bullshit these people. Who knows what they know?
如果要我们帮你 If we are gotta go in,
我们得知道事情的前因后果 we gotta go in with the whole story.
如果你对他们说 Because it gets bad for you if
要坦承一切而其实你没有 you tell them you'll confess and you don't.
那你就把一切都搞砸了 Then you're solely screwed.
都在这里 全摆在你们面前了 就这些 This is it. What you have in front of you, that is it.
我找遍了所有银行对账单 每条记录 I've found every bank statement, every record.
我为什么要对你们有所隐瞒呢 Why would I hide anything from you guys?
就这些了 This is it.
我对你们是有所保留 I haven't been telling you guys the whole truth,
不过我会在上面澄清的 but I'm gonna clear that up in there.
-什么 -我们不能让你进去 - What? - No, we gotta get you out of here.
不不 我想说 No, no, I want to tell.
维塔科尔先生的行为 Mr. Whitacre's conduct constitutes
违背了他与美国政府所签订的协议 a breach of agreement with the U.S. government.
他不再是合作证人 He is no longer a cooperating witness.
太过分了 我的当事人牺牲了多年的生活 This is outrageous. My client has given you years of his life.
他虽然犯错了 可他对你们的案子起了重大帮助 Clearly, he made mistakes, but he made your case.
我们现在讨论的不是ADM的案子 We are not here to discuss the case against ADM.
维塔科尔先生 我叫艾德·赫布斯 Mr. Whitacre, my name is Ed Herbst...
我在FBI的经济罪案调查科工作 and I am with the FBI's economic crimes unit.
这两位是司法部欺骗案调查署的 This is Mary Spearing and Don Mckay...
玛丽·斯布林和唐·迈克 from the Department of Justice Fraud Division.
我们想知道你在ADM的犯罪行为 And we were wondering if you could tell us...
起始于何时 when your criminal conduct at ADM began.
1992年初 In early 1992...
米克·安德里亚斯教我公司里的行事规则 I was taught how things are done there by Mick Andreas...
为了逃税他教会我如何挪用公款 who showed me how to use embezzlements...
以及收受回扣 and kickbacks in order to make money tax-free.
我的当事人自愿来坦白 My client is voluntarily coming to discuss
没有 我知道我的这种欺诈行为是错误的 No, I'm aware that the fraud that I perpetrated was wrong and
我愿意承担一切责任 I accept responsibility.
你是怎么收钱的 How did you receive the money?
支票 他们把支票存入我在迪凯特的账户里 By check. They would deposit the check to my account in Decatur.
他们用支票支付回扣吗 They paid kickbacks in checks?
拜托 什么公司用支票付回扣啊 What company would pay kickbacks in checks? Come on
我不记得公司的名称了 Well, I don't remember the name of the company.
好像是阿加拉咨询贸易公司之类的 It was, like, Agra consulting and trading or something like that.
你竟然不记得给你回扣的公司的名称吗 You don't remember the company that paid you checks?
现在真的记不得了 It's hard to remember for me right now.
我的生活发生了许多改变 I have things going on in my life,
我们主动来找你们 我们是来合作的 We're coming to you, guys. We're cooperating here.
我们会把钱退回去的 We're gonna get the money back.
或许这能唤起你的一些记忆 I think this might help your memory.
你们从哪儿找来的 Now, where did we get those?
这些是ADM提供的文件 这表明你伪造笔迹 These are ADM documents showing forging of signatures.
这些人没看过《糖衣陷阱》这个电影或小说吗 Didn't these people see The Firm? Or read the book?
事实就明摆在那儿 他们对我所做的一切 It's all there. Everything they did to me,
就和他们对汤姆·克鲁斯做的一样 they did to Tom Cruise.
马克自比汤姆·克鲁斯在影片《糖衣陷阱》中所饰演的角色
他们不该对我恼火 I'm not the one they should be mad at.
我们不能再见你了 We can't see you anymore.
如果你再打电话跟我们谈论这个案子 And if you call us and start to talk about the case,
我们必须得挂断电话 we'll have to hang up.
不过你可以跟我们谈谈你的感受 You can talk to us about your feelings
但仅此而已 but that's it.
马克 请理解我们 Mark, please understand.
我们也不希望这样 可我们别无选择 It's not what we want. We got no choice here.
知道吗 与你们共事的这段时期 You know, the thing of it is, all of my anger, all of my frustration
我非常的愤怒和沮丧 stems from my work with you guys.
我的孩子们都看见了 And all this crap in the paper...
报纸上所有这些对我的诽谤 My kids are seeing this.
他们只对马克·维塔科尔落井下石 And it's all just dump on Mark Whitacre.
马克 我们曾跟你说过当这件案件公诸于众 Remember, Mark, we told you it would be impossible to predict...
其后果是无法预测的 what would happen when the case went public.
你也从未告诉我们你曾私吞500万美金 You never told us about the $5 million you took.
这跟价格操纵有什么关系啊 I don't see what that has to do with the price fixing.
他为你们工作了两年半 He worked for you for two and a half years.
他牺牲了他事业和家庭 He risked his career, his home...
可你们现在却撒手不管了 and now you just turn your back on him and leave us out here.
别哭了 金吉尔 Yes, Ginger.
我们今天来这儿 The reason we came here today
就是因为我们关心你和马克的生活状况 is because we're concerned about your and Mark's well-being.
你明天必须向最高法院坦白一切 It's important you tell the people in Washington everything tomorrow.
全盘托出 One hundred percent.
要是没有他 你们会一无所获 You would have nothing without him, and you know it.
他被政府利用了 然后被一脚踹开 He's being used by the government, then thrown away...
因为逮捕马克·维塔科尔比 because it's a lot easier to go after Mark
逮捕安德里亚斯家族任何一人都容易的多 Whitacre than anyone named Andreas.
我们每年都带孩子们去 We took the kids one year to
印第安纳州的文艺复兴节 the renaissance festival in Indianna.
他们通常扮演白骑士 You get to be the White Knight.
孩子们戴上头盔 The kids get to ride a horse and joust
骑上马背与黑暗势力作斗争 against the forces of darkness with the helmet on.
白骑士总是胜利的一方 The White Knight always wins.
黑暗势力被打倒在地 The forces of darkness fall onto an old mattress.
人们用琉特琴演奏从中世纪流传下来的歌曲 Someone plays a lute and plays a song from medieval times.
我们去的那天室外温度大概有华氏90度 The day we went was maybe 90 degrees out there,
我甚至记不清广播里播报的 and the heat and humidity index...
温度和湿度指数 I can't even remember what the radio said.
就快排到我们的时候 We were next in line
那只马倒下了 在地上一动不动 and the mare collapsed, went down in a heap.
那时金吉尔在吃鸡腿 鸡腿从他手中滑落 Ginger was eating ye olde drumstick and she dropped it.
孩子们在哭泣 The kids were crying.
我还记得那个农民 And I remember this farmer saying
说他车里有枪之类的话 he had a gun in his truck. Just like that.
从白骑士到车里的枪 From the White Knight to a gun in the truck.
在他们处理好那只马之前 They had everyone turn their backs
让所有人都转过身去 before they put the animal down.
即便你看不到 你仍然可以听的到 But even if you couldn't see, you could still hear.
你如何才能转身呢 How do you get that back?
怎样才算公平呢 How does that get to be fair?
他疯狂的购物 Well, he just kept buying things.
我们已经拥有8辆车了 We had eight cars.
其中三辆我们从未用过 Three of them we never even used.
他还有什么其他的变化 And how else has he changed?
以前发脾气的总是我 Well, I was always the one with the temper.
而柯基总是开开心心的 And Corky was the happy one.
可现在不同了 But that's changed too.
香港有一个账户 There's one in Hong Kong.
瑞士和开曼群岛也有账户 Then there are the accounts in Switzerland and Grand Cayman.
继续 继续 Right, right.
还有就是 Other things.
我把100万美金存在纽约的一个律师那 There's a lawyer in New York who's got a million dollars of mine.
你的律师知道这些账户的真相吗 Have you told your attorney the truth about these accounts?
没有 没必要告诉 No, I don't need to tell...
马克 你得告诉你的律师真相 Mark, you need to tell your attorney about these accounts.
这都是合法资产 The assets were obtained legally.
我甚至不知道我还能否信任他 I don't even know if I can trust him.
你的家族成员有患双相情感障碍的历史吗 Has anyone in your family ever been diagnosed with bipolar disorder?
就是躁郁症 You know, manic depressive?
听说我的一位姑母曾患过 I have an aunt that they used to say that about.
是吗 Yeah?
我不确定我的父母是否得过 In terms of my parents, I can't be sure.
在我六岁的时候 他们就出车祸去世了 My parents died in an automobile accident when I was 6.
后来我就被俄亥俄州的一名有钱人收养了 I was adopted by a wealthy man in Ohio.
他经营一家游乐场 He owned amusement parks.
在那我的生活有了一个巨大的转折 I caught a big break there, big break.
我的当事人真心希望与你们合作 So my client's here to cooperate fully.
唐吉拉探员 你有什么问题 Agent D'angelo, do you have any questions.
这是你彻底坦白的机会 This is your chance to put everything on the table.
这是你亡羊补牢的机会 This is your chance to redeem yourself.
如果你无法坦诚相见的话 But if you're not going to be completely honest,
那你就别说了 just stop talking now.
我明白 I understand that.
我想告诉你们我很伤心 我很抱歉 I just want to tell you I feel... bad. I'm so sorry.
上次谈话的时候 我承受着巨大的压力 The last time we spoke, I was under a great deal of stress.
我说了一些谎话 And I said some things that weren't true.
我现在想要澄清这一切 I want to clear that up.
我第一次收取回扣是在1992年 The first kickback was in 1992.
米克都知道 Mick knew all about it.
他说亚洲和欧洲的一些公司的合同 He told me there were gonna be opportunities to take kickbacks
可以收取回扣 on some of the contracts coming out of Asia and Europe...
那些都是ADM的合同 that were ADM contracts.
还有其他人牵涉进来吗 Was there anyone else involved?
里克特先生 So, Mr. Richter, we have...
我把你的账户放在这儿 这儿 money leaving your account here and here...
还有这儿 and here.
进了维塔科尔的账户 And it's going into Whitacre's account...
他妻子金吉尔的账户 his wife Ginger's account...
还有维塔科尔父母的账户 and this is going to Whitacre's parents' account.
就像我说的 都是贷款 Like I said, those are loans.
他要我成立一家公司 诺德克恩·凯恩米 He had me set up a company, nordkron chemie...
就是 开假发票给ADM and just, like, issue these fake invoices to ADM.
在汉堡有个银行账户 And there was a bank account in Hamburg...
我会拿到 例如二十万的支票 and so I would get a check for like two hundred grand...
大部分又回到马克手里 and most of it would go back to Mark.
好的 Ahem. Okay, look.
我们知道你要保护你的朋友马克 We know you're looking out for your friend Mark...
可你说的不像是真的 but your story doesn't seem true.
你是对的 这不是真的 You're right, it's not true.
所有的钱都给了马克 All the money went to Mark.
什么时候开始的 When did it start?
马克跟我说过他在邮件里收到的尼日利亚邮件 Mark told me about this Nigerian thing he got in the mail.
你知道关于尼日利亚邮件的阴谋吗 You know about these schemes with the Nigerian letters?
419欺骗 每天都看得见 The 419 fraud? Yeah, we see it every day.
有封尼日利亚官方的信 You get a letter from some official in
要一笔钱作为帮助 Nigeria asking for a few grand to help.
-并许诺有好处费 -没错 - They promise a percentage of the money. - Exactly.
你可曾想到这个默不作声的人 You ever wonder who was dumb enough
对那件事信以为真 to fall for something like that?
这真让我难堪 This is really embarrassing.
你认为有多少钱 So how much money would you say
是通过不正当手段得来的 you made from your illegal activities?
七百七十万美元 Seven-point-seven million dollars.
就像我说的 米克都知道 But like I said, Mick knew all about that, you know?
他赞同那样的行为 He endorsed that kind of behavior.
这么说 不是五百万 是七百七十万 So not five, but seven-point-seven?
七百七十万 Seven-point-seven.
吉姆 我们知道要特殊考虑 Jim, we all understand special consideration,
我们抓住了你的人 but we've got your guy.
这些案子都是可以定罪的 And these are cases we know we can convict.
四十五起电邮欺诈... Forty-five counts of wire fraud...
洗钱 逃税 and money laundering and tax evasion.
跟我们解释一下 有回旋余地吗 So explain to us, where is the wiggle room?
拜托 我又不蠢 马克犯了罪 I'm not stupid. Mark committed a crime.
他盗取了九百万美元 He stole nine million dollars.
那是很难辩护的 That's pretty indefensible.
可ADM的那些家伙 他们 But these guys at ADM, they stole
从全世界无辜的人们那里 hundreds of millions of dollars...
偷了上百亿美元... from innocent people all around the world.
马克代表穿西装的白人聚在一起... Mark showed that white guys in suits getting together...
不是做生意 是犯罪 that's not a business, it's a crime scene.
不只是他告诉你的那些 And not only did he tell you about it,
他有证据能证明它 he got the evidence to prove it. Ha.
当探员为联邦调查局秘密行动时 When agents go undercover for the FBI,
他们受过抗压力训练 they get trained for the stresses.
我们一直有听说 受过训练的探员 We hear this all the time. How easy
入侵计算机是多么轻而易举 it is for a trained agent to crack.
我是说 这是马克 一个市民 没受过训练 I mean, here's Mark, a civilian, with no training.
可你们把他推到那里 But you guys just shove him in there.
告诉他不用任何形式的训练 You tell him to go for it without any
就能处理任何突发事件 training to make sure he doesn't crack a crasher.
亲爱的 Ah! Baby.
金吉尔 Ginger.
他们绑架了我 They kidnapped me.
把我拉进一辆车里 带着我兜了20分钟 They put me in a car. They drove me around for 20 minutes.
-他们不让我出来 -我的天哪 - They wouldn't let me out. - Oh, my gosh.
-我的腿 - 马克 - My leg. - Oh, Mark.
抽筋了 It's all cramped.
谁干的 谁绑架了你 Who did this? Who took you?
很明显 看我的夹克 这些人是认真的 It's obvious. Look at my jacket. These people mean business.
我被绑架了 I was abducted.
两个匪徒把我扔进浅褐色道奇王朝... I was thrown into the back of a light-brown dodge dynasty...
轿车的后备箱 by two thugs...
开车兜了二十分钟 and driven around in a 20-minute joyride.
主要是告诉我 And basically, I was told...
忘记录音带上有的之外的一切东西 you know, forget everything that isn't on tape...
你上法庭或者上媒体的时候 and you can forget about bringing
也要忘记 it up in a courtroom or for the media.
那些人表明身份了吗 Did the men identify themselves?
我想我们知道是谁派他们来的 I think we know who sent them.
他们锯开门锁 像黑手党一样 And they sawed the locks off the door, like mafia thugs.
在两边 我都被绑着 Yeah, on each side, so I was trapped.
被绑着 你不可能摇下窗户 You were trapped. You couldn't roll down the window.
不可能 No.
整个过程里联邦调查局在哪里 Where was the FBI in all of this?
我想... 我们认为人们应意识到... Well, I think... we think people have to realize...
联邦调查局在做同样的事 that the FBI did the same thing.
我是说 在调查中拘禁我丈夫 I mean, they locked my husband in an investigation...
让我的家庭兜转了三年 and they drove our family around for three years.
-三到五年 -是的 - Three to five years? - Yes.
在牢里 ADM才是罪魁祸首 In jail? But ADM's the bad guys.
我们去哪里都是这么说的 Everywhere we go, it's the same story.
就是对马克·维塔科尔落井下石 It's just dump on Mark Whitacre.
你要注意一点 You gotta focus here.
你盗取了九百万 还有所隐瞒 You stole $9 million, and then you lied about it.
或许在你看来 自己是好人 Maybe in your head, you're good.
对他们来说 你是个偷了 To them, you're a guy who stole a lot
一大笔钱 还说谎的家伙 of money, and then lied about it.
我和金吉尔谈过 我们倾向于 Ginger and I have been talking and we'd like to file a lawsuit...
起讼布莱恩·谢帕德和美国政府 against Brian Shepard and the united states government.
我的上帝 起诉什么 马克 Oh, my god. For what, Mark?
他用公文包袭击我 He hit me with a briefcase.
马克 得了吧 Mark, come on.
他要我毁掉无助于案件的录音带 And he told me to destroy tapes that didn't help the case.
布莱恩·谢帕德为什么那么做 Why would Brian Shepard do that?
或许你该问自己的是 Maybe the question you should be asking
布莱恩·谢帕德在隐藏什么 yourself is, what is Brian Shepard hiding?
好吧 我告诉你 行吗 All right. I'm telling you, okay?
接受这个请求 Take the plea.
谢谢 吉姆 可是... Thanks, Jim, but...
我们要用别的方式 we're gonna go a different way.
伊夫林 什么 Evelyn? What?
[俄亥俄 拉文纳]
有一位来自华盛顿邮报的记者 There's a reporter from the Washington Post.
问关于柯基的事 Has some questions about Corky.
记者 A reporter.
我是伊夫林·维塔科尔 This is Evelyn Whitacre.
你什么意思 收养 What do you mean, adopted?
作为他的母亲 我向您担保... Well, as his mother, I can assure you...
我和我丈夫没有死于车祸 that my husband and I were not killed in a car accident...
马克也不是被有钱人收养的 and Mark was not adopted by wealthy people.
马克告诉人们我和你 Mark's been telling people that you and
死于车祸... I were killed in a car accident...
他被有钱人收养了 and he was adopted by rich people.
你对这事有什么看法 What do you make of that?
这太奇怪了 That's kind of weird.
在康奈尔的时候 我在时代周刊上看到过相关研究 I read this study in Time Magazine when I was at Cornell.
很多人包括我母亲 There were people including my mother
从不相信我能进入... who never believed I would make...
常春藤联合会大学 it into an Ivy League school. Maybe Ginger...
也许只有我在八年级时遇到的金吉尔相信 who I met in the 8th grade.
研究表示人们更同情 And the study said that people had nice, sympathetic feelings...
更同情被收养的孩子 对他们更好 about people who were adopted, and treated them better.
我编造了收养的事 人们确实对我更好了 So I made up this adoption story and people did treat me better.
当我得到工作 我的一位教授 When I got a job, one of my professors
告诉罗尔斯顿-普里纳的人 told people at Ralston Purina...
尽管我是被收养的 I was this guy that had accomplished
却是个学识渊博的人 all of this in spite of being adopted.
我的事真的是别人传出去的 不是我 So it was really other people who spread the story, not me.
我承认一开始就错了 I admit it was wrong to start it,
是别人在继续这个错误 it was other people who kept it going.
甚至是ADM的人 Even the people at ADM.
我的新律师明白了 My new lawyer sees that.
这要追溯到很多年前... This all goes back many years...
在我们出生之前 before most of us were born.
这比我们任何人都强大... It's bigger than any of us...
而且还在进行 and it's ongoing.
我知道你们很怀疑 但我都见过了 I know you're skeptical, but I've seen it.
我的委托人 马克·维塔科尔 给我看过了 My client, Mark Whitacre, has shown it to me.
或许我只是人身伤害诉讼律师 Maybe I am just a personal-injury lawyer
来自泰勒维尔 伊利诺斯州的乡下地方 from Taylorville, "nowhere" Illinois...
我要说的是... but I tell you...
我知道幕后操纵者的身份 I know the identity of the master puppeteer.
-什么 -幕后操纵者 - The who? - The master puppeteer.
不是你们所认为的人 And it's not who you're thinking.
马克有录音带 政府不愿 Mark has tapes, tapes that the
让我们听到的录音带 government doesn't want us to hear.
包括了布莱恩·谢帕德的行为 Tapes that outline the actions of Brian Shepard...
当马克与政府合作时 who hit Mark Whitacre with a briefcase...
布莱恩用公文包袭击马克·维塔科尔 while Mark was cooperating with the government.
我的委托人有精神病医生的信 My client has a letter from his psychiatrist...
描述和认定布莱恩·谢帕德 outlining and confirming the cruelty
对他犯下的一系列残酷罪行 perpetrated on him by Brian Shepard.
精神病医生的信清楚的 A letter from his psychiatrist clearly
证明 我的委托人能免于一切罪名 exonerating my client from all wrongdoing.
"很明显在如何处理和对待你的问题上... "It is obvious that the FBI made some grand mistakes...
联邦调查局犯了很多错误" 有个措辞 in how they handled and treated you." there's a phrase...
"很多错误"... 是医生说的 "grand mistakes." ...coming from a doctor.
"当谈论自杀时 是一种警告 "When one discusses suicide, this is a red flag.
当他们谈论如何做时 When one discusses how they will do it,
则非常 非常严重 then it is very, very serious.
我还觉得联邦调查局要求你对ADM... I also feel that the FBI requiring you to do unethical conduct...
从事不道德行为是另一个错误... against ADM was another blunder...
强迫你陷入进退两难的情况 that forced you into a bipolar situation.
他们完全知道并注意到 They should have known better and
存在一个医学问题 noted that a medical problem exists.
从医学的角度 联邦调查局 From a medical point of view, this is
对你的所作所为是谋杀未遂 attempted murder that the FBI did to you.
从法律的角度 你的律师要决定做什么... From a legal view, your lawyer needs to decide what to do...
术语是什么 and what the terminology is.
不论你需要什么我都支持你 I'll support you in whatever you need.
你和你的家庭为了政府 You and your family have been through
经历了太多变故 too much turmoil in working with the government.
他们应该明白事理 They should know better."
是米勒医生 That's Dr. Miller.
我看过信了 马克 I read the letter, Mark.
信的问题是... The problem with the letter is...
这是一个谎言 it's a lie.
你说什么 布莱恩 What are you talking about, Brian?
有他的信头 有他的签名 It's on his letterhead. That's his signature.
-你在说什么 -区号 马克 - What are you talking about? - The area code, Mark.
在信头 区号是847 In the letterhead? The area code 847?
这封信是1995年11月写的 This letter was written in November 1995.
那时还没有这个区号 That area code didn't exist then.
但他们要宣布区号改革 Okay, but they announced that the change
我记忆犹新 was coming. I even remember that.
-人们提前预定信纸 -我也这么想 - People order their stationery early. - I thought about that.
我问过电话公司 So I asked the phone company.
新闻稿宣布使用新区号847 This is the press release announcing the new 847 area code.
日期是写这封信的六天后 It's dated six days after your letter was written.
米勒不可能提前知道这个 Miller could not have known about it.
财富杂志的罗恩·亨科夫 Ron Henkoff from fortune called
打电话给米勒 他证实了这封信 Dr. Miller and Miller confirmed the letter.
如果你跟亨科夫谈一谈... If you talk to Henkoff...
财富杂志的罗恩·亨科夫... Ron Henkoff from fortune magazine...
跟米勒医生确认过这封信 verified the letter with Dr. Miller.
我跟米勒医生谈过 马克 你不能... I talked to Dr. Miller, Mark. You can't...
这违反了我的医患保密协定 That's a violation of my doctor-patient confidentiality.
完全违反了我的医患保密协定 That's a total violation of my doctor-patient confidentiality.
你不能给米勒打电话 You can't call.
医患保密协定不适用于伪造的东西 Doctor-patient confidentiality doesn't apply to forgeries.
为什么财富杂志会刊登这件事 Then why did fortune magazine run the story?
为什么财富杂志的罗恩·亨科夫会... Well, why would Ron Henkoff, for fortune magazine...
把它作为封面 put it in a cover story?
别这样 马克 Stop it, Mark.
亨科... 如果你跟亨科夫谈... Henk... if you talk to Henkoff...
别再自欺欺人了 You need to stop doing this to yourself.
你为什么... 为什么一直撒谎 Why do you...? Why do you keep lying?
不知道 I don't know.
我想或许我该回医院去 Well, I think maybe I should go back to the hospital.
[1997年10月]
97-2001卷宗 美利坚合众国对马克·维塔科尔起诉案 Case 97-2001, United States of America v. Mark Whitacre.
你有权做自我陈述 如果你愿意 You have a right to make a statement, if you wish.
谢谢 Thank you.
我很感谢有这个机会 Uh... I really appreciate the opportunity...
站在这里说几句话 to get up here and say a few words. Um...
历经艰难 What a ride.
持续了五年 Been a long five years.
有很多回忆 A lot of memories.
我真的很想 I just really want to apologize to
向这里的许多人道歉 a lot of people in this room...
还有不在这里的很多人 and a lot of people who aren't in this room, um...
为我的行为 for my actions.
我正在接受药物治疗... I'm on medication now...
我更清楚地看到了一些事 so I'm seeing things a lot more clearly.
我真的很想... And I just really want to...
说声对不起 诚挚的道歉... I'm so, so, so sorry. I greatly apologize...
为我的行为负责 就是这些 and accept responsibility for my actions. That's it.
谢谢 Thank you.
大致来说 维塔科尔先生 To observe that Mr. is not the
不同于寻常的重罪犯 usual felon in a gross understatement.
他受过高等教育 He's well-educated...
有贤惠的妻子和家庭 has a loving wife and family,
有社会地位 is well-respected in the community.
不难想象到 在适当的时候 It's not inconceivable that, in due course...
他会当选阿彻·丹尼尔 斯米德兰的CEO he could have been CEO of Archer Daniels Midland.
然而 法庭... However, this court...
不能明确维塔科尔先生的 can find no clear connection between
躁郁症与 Mr. Whitacre's bipolar disorder...
他被指控的 and the 45 counts of criminal
四十五次犯罪行为有联系 misconduct he's been charged with...
一切只因贪念 just garden-variety greed.
我很难确定维塔科尔先生 It's very difficult to tell when
是否说了真话 Mr. Whitacre is telling the truth.
我认为发生的事不公平... I don't think what happened is fair...
当你看着我跟米克和泰瑞比较时 when you look at me compared to Mick and Terry.
[2002年10月]
我是说 如果你去抢劫当地的杂货店 I mean, if you go and hold up your local grocery store...
你可能会坐五年牢 you get maybe five years in prison.
米克和泰瑞抢劫全世界的 Mick and Terry held up every grocery store
每间杂货店 判了三年 in the worid and they got three.
你告诉我 我判九年说得过去吗 So you tell me how it makes sense that I get nine.
当总统先生审核赦免请求时... You should consider that, Mr. President...
再考虑这个情况 when reviewing this request for pardon.
我也想用这个机会... I'd also like to take this opportunity...
代表自己和我妻子金吉尔 to apologize on behalf of myself and my wife,
向布莱恩·谢帕德特别探员道歉 Ginger... to special agent Brian Shepard.
他从未用公文包袭击过我或者让我毁坏录音带 He never hit me with a briefcase or told me to destroy tapes.
起诉他的主意是ADM内部的人出的 The idea to sue him came from someone inside ADM.
我不应该采纳 我甚至不记得是谁说的 I shouldn't have listened. I don't even remember who it was.
当我在ADM时 扮演了很多角色 While I was there at ADM, I lived so many lives,
真的不知道我是谁 I didn't really know who I was.
今天我更清楚我是谁 And I know today more who I am and
我真正需要的是设呢 what I really want out of life.
在监狱里我读完了三个硕士学位 I've completed three postgraduate degrees while in detention...
A J.D. 当然 是法学学位... A J.D., which is, of course, a law degree...
另一个是挑选陪审团的心理学 another advanced degree in the psychology of jury selection.
这几年来 我在牢里睡得是最踏实的 I sleep better here in prison than I have in years.
我妻子金吉尔 已经原谅了我 My wife, Ginger, has forgiven me.
实际上结婚20多年 她相信 She actually believes that this incident with ADM...
这件事让我们走得更近了 brought us closer together in a marriage of over 20 years.
我希望您能允许我离开这里... And I hope you'll allow me to leave here...
那样我就能和家人重聚 so that I can rejoin that life
我的三个孩子 with my family, my three kids...
其中两个是收养的 two of whom are adopted.
特别是鉴于 Especially in light of the fact that
由于我的部分证词... in large part because of my testimony...
到今天美国政府 the united states government has
已征收大公司的 to date been able to collect...
垄断价格罚款 over one billion dollars in
超过十亿美元 price-fixing fines from big businesses.
就这些 谢谢 So that's it. Thanks.
祝赦免顺利 马克 Good luck with the pardon, Mark.
谢谢鲍勃 为帮助我恢复记忆表示感谢 Thanks Bob. Thanks for helping me remember everything.
希望布莱恩也会来 I wish Brian could have come.
-他还是很生气 -是的 - Well, he's still pretty angry. - Yeah.
告诉他我很抱歉 会转告吗 Well, tell him I'm real sorry. Will you do that?
当然 马克 Sure, Mark.
讽刺的是如果我不去做间谍 The irony is if I hadn't gone undercover...
我永远不会盗取这一千五百万美元 I never would have stole the 11 and a half million.
这是我的出路 It was my way out.
我的遣散费 我还能做什么 It was my severance. What else was I gonna do?
我必须写我自己的 I had to write my own.
工作细节 Work detail.
再见 鲍勃 See you, Bob.
-一千五百万 -什么 - Eleven and a half million? - What?
我以为是九百五十万 I thought it was nine and a half.
-我刚说了什么 -你说一千五百万 - What did I say? - You said 11 and a half.
你知道ADM的人认为我是内鬼 You do know that the people at ADM think you were the mole.
你放了病毒 后来又清除了病毒 That you planted the virus, then made it go away.
一千五百万关系到利益 The 11 and a half is with the interest.
马克 到底是九百五十万还是一千五百万 Mark, is it nine and a half or 11 and a half?
我不知道 鲍勃 I don't know,.
你告诉我 You tell me.
[根据联邦调查局 美国税务局的调查 ADM决定对全部有争议的资金负有责任]
[维塔科尔最终承认贪污是他个人的想法]
[民事赔偿和政府罚款 ADM支付超过五十亿 公司管理层已更新]
[米克·安德里亚斯和泰瑞·威尔逊 被判三年有期徒刑 于2002年被释放]
[南卡罗来纳 埃奇菲尔德 2006年12月]
[马克·维塔科尔现在是赛普拉斯系统公司的 首席运营官和总裁]
[他没有得到总统的赦免]