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《小糖人》 罗德里格兹 Sugar Man by Rodriguez
小糖人 请快一点 Sugar Man, won't you hurry?
因为这一切已让我疲惫 Cos I'm tired of these scenes
给你这枚蓝色硬币 你能不能帮我带回 For a blue coin, won't you bring back
我五彩斑斓的梦境 All those colours to my dreams?
你带来了银色有魔法的船 Silver magic ships, you carry
我们跳跃着 喝汽水 我们还有甜美的玛丽珍 Jumpers, coke, sweet Mary Jane
南非 开普敦
小糖人 Sugar Man
我的外号就是从这首歌来的 I got my nickname from this song.
史提芬·西格曼"老糖"唱片行老板
过去在军队里 他们把西格曼错念成"糖人" When I was in the Army they used to mispronounce Segerman as Sugar Man.
然后他们就开始叫我"老糖"了 这就成了我的外号 And then they just started calling me Sugar and that became my nickname.
罗德里格兹的这张唱片《冷事实》 It's 40 years since
已经发行了40年了 this LP called Cold Fact by Rodriguez was released.
在南非 这是一张非常受欢迎的专辑 And in South Africa it was a very popular album.
那是当时最火爆的专辑之一 It was one of the biggest albums of the day.
但问题是 我们都不知道他到底是谁 But the thing was, we didn't know who this guy was.
其他的摇滚歌手 我们都对其各种信息了如指掌 All our other rock stars, we had all the information we needed.
但是他呢 一片空白 But this guy? There was nothing.
然后我们了解到 他是自杀了 And then we found out that he had committed suicide.
他在舞台上把自己点着 He set himself alight on stage
在众目睽睽之下活活烧死了自己 and burnt to death in front of the audience.
这简直太不可思议了 这已不仅仅是自杀 It was the most incredible thing. It wasn't just a suicide.
这大概算是摇滚史上 最诡异的自杀了 It was probably the most grotesque suicide in rock history.
寻找小糖人
音乐 罗德里格兹
密歇根 -底特律
我记忆中第一次真正见到他是在 The first time that I remember actually recognizing him is
麦克·希尔多有天给我打电话说 Mike Theodore called me on the phone one day and said,
丹尼斯·科菲 罗德里格兹1970年首张专辑《冷事实》的联合制作人
"我这里有位歌手引荐给你" "I have this artist I want you to come see with me.
"他叫罗德里格兹" "This guy's name is Rodriguez,
"他就在底特律河那边上班" "he's working down by the Detroit River.
他合作过的歌手有 马文·盖伊 史蒂夫·汪达 诱惑组合 至上女声三重唱 格雷迪斯·奈特 林格·斯塔 四上组合 威尔森·皮科特
"那边有个酒吧" "There's a bar down there,
"就在江边码头那边" "down by the wharf riverside district.
"我们今晚去瞧瞧吧" "Let's go see him tonight.
"我觉得你肯定会喜欢的" "I think you'll really like him."
所以那天晚上 我记得 我们开着车... So that night, I remember, we pull up...
来到底特律这片稍微偏远的地方 away in this kinda isolated part of Detroit
就在底特律河边上 right on the side of the Detroit River,
你可以看到河中弥漫上来的雾气 and you could see the mist in the air coming off the river.
我们可以感受到 We could feel it.
然后我们就进去了 进门的时候 And we went inside there, and as we walked in the door,
我们可以听到身后传来货轮的声音 we could hear behind us the sound of the freighters
它们正沿着河开过 as they're going down the river,
所以这场景就像福尔摩斯小说里的一样 and so it's like you're walking out of a Sherlock Holmes novel.
你穿过迷雾走进这里 You walk out of the mist and you go into this place,
在屋子里 也是烟雾缭绕 and inside the place, it's all full of smoke,
里面也是一样 so there's a mist inside there.
嘭的一下 烟雾就像一面墙 Boom, hey, you know, it's a wall of smoke.
到处都是啤酒瓶和花生壳 乱糟糟的 Beer all over the place. Peanut shells. It was just a mess.
然后就听到扫弦的声音了 And then you hear this strumming sound.
麦克·希尔多 《冷事实》联合制作人
扫弦 敲击吉他的声音 Strumming and batting the guitar.
然后就听见了他的声音 是有些奇怪的 And then you hear this voice. Strange voice.
终于 我们穿过烟雾 仔细寻找... Finally, we walked through the smoke, and I looked,
我看到在远远的角落里... and there in the far corner I saw...
我看见一个人影 但看不见脸 I could see the shadow of a man and I couldn't see his face.
我说"怎么回事"然后接着走近一些... I said, "What's the deal?" So we got a little closer...
就能看到这个人 是背对着你的 And you see this guy with his back to you.
你只能看着他的背 他就在角落这么唱着 So all you see is his back and he's in a corner, singing.
画面简直可以说是空灵 It was an ethereal scene, if you will.
大雾弥漫的夜晚 有雾笛声传来 Foggy night, foghorns,
眼前都是看不穿的浓雾 smoke so thick you couldn't see through it.
还有如此的歌声 And here's this voice.
或许这可以迫使别人仔细听歌词 Maybe it forced you to listen to the lyrics
因为你完全看不到他的脸 'cause you couldn't see the guy's face.
我们就是那时跟他聊了聊 决定应该为他制作一张专辑 That's when we talked to him and figured we needed to do an album on him.
那个时代 唯一与其媲美的"作家"歌手 The only writer that I had heard of, of that time period,
或许只有鲍勃·迪伦了 只有他才能写得这么棒 was maybe Bob Dylan, that was writing that well.
《你的苦恼》 罗德里格兹 1970 Crucify Your Mind by Rodriguez
到底他是个猎人还是个戏子 Was it a huntsman or a player
让你如此付出 That made you pay the cost
他倒轻轻松松 That now assumes relaxed positions
你却一无所有 And prostitutes your loss?
你是否被自己的欲望折磨 Were you tortured by your own thirst
自己寻找的那些欢愉 In those pleasures that you seek
一会儿是好奇 That made you Tom the Curious
一会儿是脆弱 That makes you James the Weak?
你说你手头有事情忙 And you claim you got something going
你说很特别的事 Something you call unique
但我看到你自怨自艾 But I've seen your self-pity showing
就像你脸颊滑过的泪水 As the tears roll down your cheeks
他就是这城市中游走的孤魂 He was this wandering spirit around the city.
有时候我能在街道角落里看到他 And, uh, sometimes I might catch him in the corner.
底特律有很多这样荒凉无人的地方 You know, Detroit's got its share of, uh, burned-out, desolate areas
我偶尔见到他 and I would occasionally see him, um,
丹·迪马吉奥"酒坊"的酒保
是在离"酒坊"很远的地方 我就想 far away from The Brewery, and I wondered,
这更增加了他的传奇色彩 and it just added to this mythology of him.
比如 他在干嘛 他是干什么的 Like, what is he doing? What is he doing? What does he do?
我听说他帮人修理屋顶 做一些施工的活儿 I heard he did a little roofing, some construction work.
我觉得那应该就是他当时的经济来源了 Um, I think that's how he got his money at the time.
他真的...我说这些没有恶意 He just was, you know, and I say this with love,
我很尊重他的 但是... I say this with respect, but,
我当时觉得他只是... I thought he was just a...
跟无家可归的人 没什么两样 just not much more than a kind of a homeless person, you know?
四处漂泊 He just was a drifter. He was just... Um...
我都不知道他有个家 I didn't know if he had a home, you know?
他看上去就像是从一个庇护所 去到另一个庇护所那样 He'd look like maybe he'd go from shelter to shelter or something.
七十年代的底特律的确生活艰难 Detroit in the '70s was a hard place.
现在其实还是这样 Well, it's still a hard place.
很多衰败的 毁掉的房子 城里有很多穷人 Lot of decay, lots of ruined houses. Real poverty exists in this city.
而那些街道 就是罗德里格兹成长起来的地方 And those streets were Rodriguez's natural habitat.
每次我们跟他见面 聊聊工作进度 Any time we met him to talk about what we were doing,
他总是在他住处附近的街角 约我们见面 he would always meet us on a corner somewhere in his neighbourhood.
大多数时候他都不愿来我家 Most of the time he wasn't coming to my house.
他会说"跟我在这条街和那条街的交界口见面吧" He'd say, "Meet me on the corner of this street and that street,"
我们就会过去 and we would be there.
麦克和我把车停好出来 Uh, Mike and I would get out of our cars and park our cars,
站在街角 so we'd be standing on the corner,
我们四下观望 他就会突然一下子出现 and then we'd look round and he'd be there all of a sudden.
就这样出现 He'd just show up.
我们觉得 他就是城市里的诗人 We thought he was like the inner city poet.
把所见所闻写成诗 放进音乐里 You know? Putting his poems to music of what he saw.
他眼里的底特律 And it was definitely a very gritty look
一定是坚韧不拔的 at what he saw on the streets of Detroit.
他在街坊里见到的 在路上行走的人 What he saw in his neighbourhood. Who was walking around the streets.
以及他在歌里表达这些的方式 And the way he presented it in a song,
我觉得都非常有意思 I thought was very, very interesting.
我们当时在特拉-谢玛录音室录音 We were working at Tera-Shirma recording studio.
他开口唱以后 你真的会觉得"哇 他肯定行" When he opened up and sang, you went, "Whoa, this guy's got it."
当时的罗德里格兹 真的一切装置都就绪了 Rodriguez, at that time, had all the machinery in place.
身后有大制作人和投资 时机也不错 Big names, big money behind it. Circumstances were right.
为什么就是没成功呢 直到今天这个问题还在困扰着我 Why didn't it make it? That's the big question that today still haunts me.
宣传力度够吗 巡回演出够吗 Did he get enough promotion? Did he do enough performances?
还是歌太政治化了 Was he too political?
到底是因为这个还是那个 Was there this or was there that?
封面是不是不能用橙色该用绿色 Should it have been green instead of orange?
是不是应该用小提琴而不是双簧管 Should it have been a violin instead of an oboe?
这样子的问题还可以一直问下去 On and on you can go.
但最终 如果你现在去听他的歌 你会说 But the end of the day is, if you listen to the stuff now, you'd say,
"我真不明白 他是这么出色" "I don't understand it, he's right-on."
我只看过他表演一次 I only heard him play once,
他专辑里面有一首歌 是叫... and one of the songs that he had on his album, it was called...
《小糖人》 对吧 是叫这个名字对吧 The Sugar Man? Was it Sugar Man? Is that the name of the song?
杰瑞米·费瑞迪 瓦工
我认识那个人的 那个"小糖人" Um, I knew that guy, the Sugar Man.
他的名字叫"大众车"..."大众车弗兰克" And his name was Volkswagen Cha... Volkswagen Frank!
他就住在那个街角 And he lived right around the corner
大家都经常去弗兰克那里 and you used to go over to Volkswagen Frank's.
大家去他那儿买一点"糖" You'd go in and get a little "sugar,"
你应该知道我说的是什么吧 if you know what I mean.
《小糖人》 罗德里格兹 1970 Sugar Man by Rodriguez
小糖人 请快一点 Sugar Man, won't you hurry?
因为这一切已让我疲惫 Cos I'm tired of these scenes
给你一枚蓝色硬币 请给我 For a blue coin, won't you bring back
色彩斑斓的梦境 All those colours to my dreams?
你带来银色有魔法的船 Silver magic ships, you carry
加州棕榈泉
跳跃着 喝汽水 还有甜美的玛丽珍 Jumpers, coke, sweet Mary Jane
小糖人 Sugar Man
虚情假意的朋友 Meta false friend
在这孤独的盖满尘土的路上 On a lonely, dusty road
失去了我的心 Lost my heart
我这里有些照片想让你看 I got some photos here that I'd like to show you
是我当年和罗德里格兹在英国的时候的 一直保留下来 that I've kept since my days in England with Rodriguez.
我找找 Let me see.
可能在这一本 我也不记得在哪里了 Possibly it's in this book, I don't know where.
这些都是我做演员时候的照片 These are all my photos from when I was acting.
这个是我 这个是詹姆斯·迪恩 That's me, and that's Jimmy Dean.
是1955年的照片 That was in 1955.
等等 好像找到了 在这里面呢 Hang on, I think I've found them. Think they're in here.
找到了 Yeah, here they are.
哇 天哪 原来放在这 Wow. Good Lord, here they are.
我已经快要35年 没有见过这些照片了 You know, I haven't seen these pictures in almost 35 years.
他是给我印象最深刻的艺术家 He's my most memorable artist.
斯蒂夫·罗兰德 罗德里格兹1971年第二张专辑《从现实来》制作人
我制作过很多很棒的专辑 但... You know, I've produced a lot of great ones, but...
合作过的歌手有 杰瑞·李·刘易斯 治疗乐队 彼得·弗兰普顿 格洛丽亚·盖诺 邦妮演唱组 漂亮东西乐队
他令我印象最深 he's my most memorable.
他不仅仅是有才华 It's not just a talent.
他就像... He's like...
就像一位智者 一位先知 He's like a wise man, a prophet.
远远多于一个音乐人的概念 He's way beyond just being a musical artist.
并且很有可能获得巨大成功的 And he probably could have done fantastically well
如果他当时继续唱下去 if he had have continued.
我跟他见面时 When I met him,
别人介绍说"罗德里格兹 这位是斯蒂夫·罗兰德" they said, "Rodriguez, this is Steve Rowland.
"他很喜欢你的专辑"罗德里格兹说 "He really likes your album." And Rodriguez said to me,
"你喜欢《冷事实》吗" "Well, did you like Cold Facts?"
我说"天哪 它真是天才作品" I said, "Man, I thought it was absolutely brilliant.
"完完全全的" "Absolutely brilliant.
"真不敢相信它没有获得任何反响" "I can't believe that this album didn't do anything.
"这是一张非常棒的专辑" "It's just a fantastic album."
然后他就给我唱了... So he played me...
他的下一张专辑是... 当时你会把它们装在盒子里 Well, his next album was on... In those days you had cassettes.
他随身带着第二张专辑的母带 名字叫《从现实来》 He had demos of this next album that he was gonna call Coming From Reality.
我说"哇 这会震惊乐坛的" And I said, "Wow, man, this has got to be a smash.
"都是很棒的歌" "These are great songs.
"有些...跟其他的不一样" "Little bit... Little bit different from the others,"
我说"但真的很棒" I said, "but great songs."
我说"有两首还特别伤感" I said, "And a couple of them were so sad." You know.
里面有一首绝对有杀伤力的 There's one in there that's absolutely a killer.
是我听过最悲伤的歌之一... It's one of the saddest songs that...
别看我在笑 那真的是我听过的最悲伤的歌之一了 I'm laughing, but it's one of the saddest songs that I've ever heard.
是一首非常简单的歌 等等 我来放给你听 And it's a very simple song. Hang on, I wanna play this. Hang on.
听他的歌词 Okay, listen to these words.
《因为》 罗德里格兹 1971 Cause by Rodriguez
因为我丢了工作 'Cause I lost m y job
就在离圣诞两周前 Two weeks before Christmas
噢 天哪 Oh, man.
我在下水道对耶稣倾诉 And I talked to Jesus at The Sewer
教皇说这关他屁事 And the Pope said it was none of his goddamn business
雨水混杂香槟 While the rain drank champagne
天使也让我喝个烂醉 My Estonian Archangel came and got me wasted
因为我得到过的最甜蜜的吻 'Cause the sweetest kiss I ever got
就是我那唯一一个 ls the one I've never tasted
我真的感到难过 因为... And it really makes me sad, because...
这是我们录过的最后一曲 that was the last song that we recorded.
也是罗德里格兹录过的最后一曲 And that was the last song that Rodriguez ever recorded.
我尤其感到伤心的是 And what makes it even sadder
专辑是在1971年11月发行的 was the album was released in November of 1971,
我们有很高的期待 但完全没有任何反响 and we expected big things. And it did absolutely nothing.
然后 就在圣诞节前两周 And then, two weeks before Christmas,
苏塞克斯(公司)跟他解约了 Sussex dropped him off the label.
这首歌的第一句话 就像一个预言 And the very first line in the song, as if premonition,
就是"我在圣诞前两周丢了工作" was, "I lost my job two weeks before Christmas."
噢 天哪 我就一直在想这个 Oh, man. I just think about that.
他理应受到关注 This guy deserves recognition.
在美国 根本没人听说过他 Nobody in America had even heard of him.
没人... Nobody...
甚至没人有兴趣去听他的歌 Nobody even was interested in listening to him.
怎么会这样 怎么会这样 写这么好听的歌的人啊 How can that be? How can that be? Guy that writes like this.
我是说... I mean...
因为他们告诉我 每个人都要付清欠款 'Cause they told me everybody's gotta pay their dues
我解释说自己已经付过了 And I explained that I had overpaid them
因为她的香水味道 'Cause the smell of her perfume
还在我脑海深处回响 Echoes in my head still
《我在想》 罗德里格兹 I Wonder by Rodriguez
南非 开普敦
我在想 你有过多少对象 I wonder how many times you've been had
我在想 又有多少黄掉了 And I wonder how many plans have gone bad
我在想 你上过多少次床 I wonder how many times you had sex
我还在想 你知不知道下一个会是谁 And I wonder, do you know who'll be next?
《冷事实》是怎么来到南非的 It's still a bit of a mystery how the first copy of Cold Fact
现在还是个谜 actually came to South Africa.
其中一个版本是 But one of the stories I've heard
有一个美国女孩来到南非 is that there was an American girl and she came to South Africa
来看她男朋友 随身带了这张唱片 to visit her boyfriend and brought a copy of the record with her.
他们还有身边的朋友都非常喜欢 And her and him and all their friends really liked it
想要买 但买不到 and went out to try and buy it but you couldn't buy it.
所以他们做了一些复制唱片 自己传阅 So they started taping copies and passing copies along.
不管它是怎么来的南非 怎么在这里发芽的 However it got here, however it germinated here,
斯蒂芬·西格曼"老糖"唱片行老板
它一出现就传播得非常迅速 once it got here, it spread very quickly.
...你有多么现实 How much goin' have you got
还有你那些不一样的朋友 And I wonder about your friends that are not
我在想 I wonder
一直在想 Wonder I do
我还记得当时我在上高中 I remember I was in high school
我们听到这首歌唱"我在想 你做过多少次爱" and we heard this song, "I wonder how many times you've had sex?"
那个时候的南非是非常保守的 And at that time South Africa was very conservative.
威廉·莫勒 音乐人
种族隔离严重 It was the height of apartheid,
也没有电视 and there wasn't television here.
就真有那么保守 因为电视是共产主义分子的 That's how conservative it was, 'cause television was communist.
真的是...你都不会相信 It was really... You wouldn't believe.
一切都被禁制 一切都被审查 Everything was restricted, everything was censored.
一切都... Everything was...
然后我们就听到这个人唱这首歌 And here's this guy singing this song.
"他是谁""他叫罗德里格兹" "Who's that?" Said, "That's Rodriguez."
然后他就成了反叛的标志 And he became something of a rebel son' of icon.
但奇怪的是 虽然我们都买了他的专辑 But the strange thing was that we all bought his records.
我认识的每个人都有他的专辑 《我在想》这首歌 Everybody I knew had his records. I Wonder,
是最受欢迎的 每个人都在唱 that was the big song that everybody was singing
全部人都买了专辑 and we all bought a record.
然后封面上就是他了 有点像阴影里的嬉皮士 And there he was on the cover, sort of a hippy with shades.
但没有人知道他是什么人 他就是个谜 But nobody knew anything about him. He was a mystery.
不像其他美国艺术家 你可以在刊物上读到 Unlike other artists that you could read about from America,
然后对他们进行了解 get to know something about them,
他什么都没有 没人知道他的任何事 there was zilch. Nobody knew anything.
完全是个谜 我们只有他封面上这张照片 It was a mystery. We only had his picture on the cover of the record.
《简·S·彼迪》 罗德里格兹 Jane S. Piddy by Rodriguez
你坐在那里想 感觉不安全 Now you sit there thinking Feeling insecure
讽刺的宫廷小丑 告诉你没有解药 The mocking court jester Claims there is no proven cure
回到你的房间 你盯着墙壁 Go back to your chamber Your eyes upon the wall
因为没人听你倾诉 也没人接你来电 Cos you got no one to listen You got no one to call
你觉得我会好奇 And you think I'm curious
这张专辑异常受欢迎 The album was exceptionally popular.
对很多南非人来说 他就是我们生命的背景音乐 To many of us South Africans, he was the soundtrack to our lives.
在70年代中期 你随便走进一间 In the mid-'70s, if you walked into a random
白人的 自由主义的 中产阶级人家 white, liberal, middle-class household
只要他们家有那么一叠流行音乐 that had a turntable and a pile of pop records
你只要翻看这些唱片 就一直能找到 and if you flipped through the records you would always see
披头士的《阿比路》 Abbey Road by The Beatles.
还有《忧郁河上的桥》 You would always see Bridge Over Troubled Water
西蒙和加芬克尔的 by Simon and Garfunkel.
然后肯定还有 罗德里格兹的《冷事实》 And you would always see Cold Fact by Rodriguez.
对我们来说 那是史上最著名的专辑之一 To us, it was one of the most famous records of all time.
里面传达的思想是"反体制" The message it had was: "Be anti-establishment. "
有一首歌就叫《反体制蓝调》 One song's called Anti-Establishment Blues.
我们都不知道"反体制"是什么意思 We didn't know what the word "anti-establishment" was
直到罗德里格兹的歌里唱到 然后我们才发现 until it cropped up on a Rodriguez song and then we found out,
我们是可以与当下社会持异见的 it's OK to protest against your society,
我们是有权对这个社会愤怒的 to be angry with your society.
因为我们所处的这个社会 Because we lived in a society
所有事情的目的都是保护种族分离制度 where every means was used to prevent apartheid from,
克雷格·巴索洛缪-斯翠顿 音乐记者
防止其结束 you know, coming to an end,
这张专辑里面有着这种... this album somehow had in it...
歌词把我们这些 被压迫的人给解放了 lyrics that almost set us free as oppressed peoples.
每一场革命都需要圣歌 Any revolution needs an anthem
在南非 《冷事实》就是这样一张专辑 and in South Africa Cold Fact was the album
允许人们 that gave people permission
拥有自由的思想 开始有不一样的想法 to free their minds and to start thinking differently.
《反体制蓝调》 罗德里格兹 1970 The Establishment Blues by Rodriguez
市长掩盖犯罪率 理事会的女人犹犹豫豫 The mayor hides the crime rate Council woman hesitates
公众变得易怒 但忘了选举的日子 Public gets irate But forgets the vote date
体制就要灭亡 由愤怒的年轻人推翻 This system's gonna fall soon To an angry young tune
这是无法改变的冷冰冰的事实 And that's a concrete cold fact
可能这看上去有点奇怪 It may seem strange that South African record companies
南非的唱片公司没有 继续发行罗德里格兹的作品 didn't do more to try and track down Rodriguez,
但实际上 如果你回望过去那段时间 but, actually, if you look back at the time
我们正经历着种族隔离运动 最激烈的时候 we were in the middle of apartheid, the height of apartheid.
南非当时遭受的制裁 是世界级的 South Africa was under sanctions from countries from all over the world.
南非音乐家是不允许出国演出的 South African musicians were not allowed to play overseas.
外国的表演也不能来南非巡回 No foreign acts were allowed to visit South Africa.
完全闭关锁国 It was a closed-door situation
南非和世界之间有一道屏障 between South Africa and the rest of the world.
一早醒来头就很痛 Woke up this morning with an ache in my head
一跃而起穿上衣服 I splashed on my clothes as I spilled out of bed
我打开窗户听新闻 I opened the window to listen to the news
耳边只有体制下的音乐 But all I heard was the establishment's blues
世界上其他国家都在谴责 The countries around the world were saying horrible things
南非那个种族隔离的政府 about the apartheid government
但我们全然不知 因为他们控制了新闻 but we didn't know because they controlled the news.
大多数的人们 The majority of the population had been marginalized
都被强制离开商业区域 and forced out of the commerce in areas.
纳粹德国就是这样 It was what had happened in Nazi Germany.
这就是纳粹德国的演变体, It was a spin-off from Nazi Germany,
倘若有报纸敢报道 他们就会被封杀 but if a newspaper published it, they'd get prosecuted.
所以就这样 So, because of that,
南非成为了世界上被遗忘的国家 South Africa had achieved a pariah status in the world.
有对文化的抵制 有对体育的抵制 There were cultural boycotts. There were sporting boycotts.
是一个非常孤立的社会 我们完全被隔绝了 It was a very isolated society. So we were cut off.
我们都知道种族隔离是错误的 We all knew apartheid was wrong,
但居住在南非 but living in South Africa,
作为一个白人 其实你并不能 there wasn't much, as a white person,
为此做出什么 you could do about it,
因为政府非常严苛 'cause the government was very strict.
很大范围内都是军事戒严状态 It was a military state, to a large degree.
如果你站出来反对种族隔离 If you spoke out against apartheid,
你可能会因此入狱3年 you could be thrown into prison for three years.
所以虽然很多白人都参与到运动中 So although a lot of whites were part of the struggle,
大多数白人还是没有的 the majority of whites were not.
你被监视着 到处都是间谍 You were watched. There were spies.
非常恐怖 人们也害怕得不得了 It was scary and people were scared.
但南非白人社区有组织起来 But out of the Afrikaans community emerged
一群音乐家 作曲家 a group of Afrikaans musicians, songwriters,
当他们听到罗德里格兹的歌 就像一个声音对她们说 and for them, when they heard Rodriguez, it was like a voice spoke to them
"还有出路 还有出路" and said, "Guys, there's a way out. There's a way out.
"你可以写歌 可以绘画" "You can write music. You can write imagery.
"可以演唱 可以表演" "You can sing, you can perform."
那是真正意义上的 第一次 And that was where, really, the first opposition to apartheid
从南非白人圈内部传出了 反对种族隔离的声音 came from inside the Afrikaans community.
这些年轻的南非人 It was these young Afrikaans guys and, to a man,
他们会告诉你 他们是受罗德里格兹影响的 they'll tell you they were influenced by Rodriguez.
库斯·康布伊斯 威廉·莫勒 Koos Kombuis. Willem M枚ller.
还有已经去世的约翰内斯·科库洛 The late Johannes Kerkorrel.
这些人都是 南非音乐革命的标志人物 The guys who were regarded as the icons of the Afrikaans music revolution
他们都会告诉你"罗德里格兹启发了我们" will all tell you, "Rodriguez was our guy."
南非语
我们叫它"自由运动" We call it the Voelvry movement
南非的艺术家用唱歌来反对种族隔离 of Afrikaans artists singing against apartheid.
所有人都听过罗德里格兹的歌 All of us listened to Rodriguez at some point. All of us.
威廉·莫勒"自由运动"成员
这音乐有着巨大的影响力 It had an enormous impact.
它让你觉得我们还是有出路的 It made you just think that there's another way.
体制给你的东西并不是全部 What's presented to you by the establishment isn't all theirs.
点燃 点燃吧 点燃 点燃吧 Set if off, set if off Set if off, set if off
最流行的一首叫《点燃》 The biggest hit was a song called Set It Off
当时的总统是PW·波塔 which was when PW Botha was the president then.
真正的大坏蛋 他在电视里讲话都是这个姿势 The real bad guy. When he came on TV, he used to talk like that.
歌里是这么唱的"关掉电视吧 关掉它" And this song said, "switch it off, just switch off the TV."
审查材料档案室 南非约翰内斯堡
你觉得哪些歌词 So what lines do you think
是有问题的 were the lines they had problem with?
啊 天哪 全部吧 Ah, gee whiz, it's all of them.
"小糖人 请快一点 因为我已经十分疲惫" "Sugar Man, won't you hurry Cos I'm tired of these scenes
"给你一枚蓝色硬币 "For a blue coin,
你能不能带给我 五彩斑斓的梦境" won't you bring back all those colours to my dreams?"
最难辨别的大概是 The most difficult ones is probably
艾尔斯·阿斯曼 前种族隔离档案员
"你带来银色魔法船 "Silver magic ships,
我们跳跃着 喝汽水 还有甜美的玛丽珍" you carry Jumpers, coke, sweet Mary Jane."
那句是什么意思呢 And what is that?
还是留给你判断吧 I'm gonna leave that to you.
-但这是说的嗑药 -肯定是 -But it's drugs? -it's certainly drugs.
在种族隔离时期 要放这首歌是不可能的 During the apartheid years, it was just impossible to play it.
如果放了会怎么样 And what happened if you did play it?
你放不了的 我来告诉你为什么 Well, you couldn't. I'd like to show you why.
专辑在这里 有包装袋 Right, here we have the album, the vinyl.
背后你可以看到 贴了一个"禁止"的标签 At the back of the sleeve you'll see a sticker that says "Avoid."
你把专辑打开 从包装里拿出来 But when you open the album and take it out from its sleeve,
你可以看到他们把那首歌给刮掉了 you would see that they have scratched that particular song
用很锋利的刀具彻底损坏 这样就无法公开播放了 with a sharp tool to make sure that it would not go out on air.
这就是他们禁止音乐的方法 我觉得 And that's the way that they banned the music which, in my mind,
这种强制音乐无法播放的方法 was quite a brutal way of ensuring the song
是非常野蛮的 would never be heard on the air.
大多数的歌都在 南非广播电视台的禁播曲目单里 Most of those tracks were on the banned list at SABC
政府也完全掌控者广播电视行业 and they ran the broadcast industry completely.
没有任何独立的广播站或电视台 There weren't any independent radio stations or TV stations.
很明显 被禁的话一放出 Obviously, when that word got out,
斯蒂夫·M·哈里斯 罗德里格兹当时在南非的唱片公司老板
就会让专辑变得更有吸引力 it just made the record more desirable.
哇 有东西被禁了 You know, it's like having something banned.
就像一个十六七岁的孩子 他居然有东西被禁了 You're 16, 17 years old and you've got something that's banned.
简直太完美了 It was absolutely perfect.
《无法逃离》 罗德里格兹 1973 Can't Get Away by Rodriguez
南非 开普敦
出生在这个问题城市 Born in the troubled city
美国的摇滚之都 In Rock and Roll, USA
在最高的大厦的阴影里 In the shadow of the tallest building
我发誓要逃离 I vowed I would break away
周日节目里的演员 Listened to the Sunday actors
他们却只会说 But all they would ever say
你是逃不掉的 That you can't get away from it
逃不掉 No, you can't get away
《冷事实》只是我们众多唱片收藏中的一张 Cold Fact was just one of the albums we had in our collections,
过了10年 20年 and for 10, 20 years,
它只是我们非常喜欢的一张专辑而已 it was just a record we listened to and enjoyed.
但一件关键的转折事件 彻底改变了我 But then a pivotal event happened that changed everything for me.
我们当时在坎普斯湾海滩 We were down in Camps Bay beach.
我们坐在海滩上 有一个朋友 We were sitting around on the beach and a friend of mine,
她是南非人 a woman, who was from South Africa,
后来结婚移居去了洛杉矶 but she had got married and emigrated to Los Angeles,
她问"在南非哪里可以买到《冷事实》" she said to me, "Where can I buy Cold Fact in South Africa?"
我转过身 指着街对面的一家店 And I turned round and I pointed to a store across the road
那家店有CD卖 我就说"那里就可以买到" that sold CDs and I said, "You can buy it at that store."
她说"真的 因为 She said, "Really? Because,
在美国你到处都找不到哪里有卖" you know, you can't buy it anywhere in America.
"我在美国到处问 甚至都没人听说过" "I've asked everywhere in America, no one's even heard of it."
这就是那个关键时刻 因为我之前完全不知道 And that was a pivotal moment, 'cause I didn't know that.
我以为人人都认识罗德里格兹 I thought everybody knew Rodriguez,
尤其是在美国 他是美国人嘛 especially in America 'cause he was American.
所以我接下来就像"啊 罗德里格兹啊 有意思" So my next thought was, "Ah, Rodriguez, that's interesting. "
我回到家 翻出自己的罗德里格兹的专辑 I went back... I came back home and I took out my Rodriguez records
那时候我才意识到 唱片上没有任何内容... and that's when I realised there was nothing on the record
告诉我们他是谁 他是哪里人 to tell us who he was or where he was from.
《冷事实》上面有四个名字 On Cold Fact there are four names.
正面只有"罗德里格兹" On the front cover it just says "Rodriguez."
但如果我们把唱片拿出来 看上面的标签 But if we take the record out and examine the sleeve,
名字是"西斯托·罗德里格兹" the artist's name is Sixto Rodriguez.
但如果继续看曲目表 But if you look at the tracks,
其中有6首 six of these tracks
作者写的是"上帝·罗德里格兹" are credited to Jesus Rodriguez,
还有4首 and four of these tracks
作者写的是"六王子" are credited to Sixth Prince.
所以这些歌到底是谁写的 So who actually wrote these songs
这些人又是谁呢 and who are all these people?
我们除了一张唱片以外 再无别的线索 We didn't have any more information than a record
封面上的他 也戴着帽子和墨镜 with him sitting on the cover with a hat and sunglasses on.
我们也不知道他有多高 因为他是盘腿坐着的 We didn't know how tall he was 'cause he was sitting cross-legged.
一个谜团要怎么解开呢 So how do you solve a mystery?
要尽可能利用手头的信息 You use whatever information's available.
我们有什么呢 唱片上的歌词 What did we have? A record cover with lyrics.
所以我们开始深入研究歌词 So we started looking quite deeply at the lyrics
看看是在说什么 and seeing what they said,
有几句 非常少 提到了地理位置信息 and some of them, very few of them, had geographical references.
《无法逃离》的开头唱道 The one You Can't getaway starts off,
"出生在这问题城市" "Born in the troubled city
"美国的摇滚之都" "In Rock and Roll, USA."
哪个"问题城市"啊 Born in which troubled city?
60年代末的城市似乎都还挺有问题的 Seems all the cities were troubled in the late '60s.
"最高大楼的阴影下" "In the shadow of the tallest building."
当时最高的楼 据我所知 在纽约 The tallest building, as far as we knew, was in New York.
歌下面这里有句写道 And at the bottom of the song this verse says,
"在阿姆斯特丹的旅馆房间内" "In a hotel room in Amsterdam."
这里还有 Then it says,
"灰尘弥漫的乔治亚州路上 我漫游着" 乔治亚州 "Going down a dusty Georgian side road I wander." Georgia?
所以现在我们有阿姆斯特丹 有乔治亚州 So we've had Amsterdam, we've had Georgia,
还有世界第一高楼 we've had the world's tallest building.
没有更多线索了 Not much to go on.
我听说的版本是 Well, what I heard,
各个版本有很大差别 and the story differs a lot,
很多人听说的都是不同的版本 但我听说的是 and a lot of people have different versions of the story, but what I heard,
他已经很久没有表演过了 he hadn't played a concert in a very long time.
宣传方让他开演唱会 And a promoter got him to play a concert,
他期待会是一场成功的演出 and he was hoping it was gonna be a great show.
不过当然演出没有成功 Of course, the show didn't work out that way. It started out...
声音不对 地点也不对 The sound wasn't good. The venue wasn't good.
这个演出的一切都不太对 A lot of the factors surrounding the show wasn't good.
演出不断进行的过程中 And as the show went on and on,
完全是走下坡路 人们开始嘲笑他 it started going downhill from there. People started ridiculing him.
朝他吹口哨 或者不断向他提起 People started whistling or making mention of the fact that,
演出跟想象得差太远了 you know, the show wasn't going as planned.
直到最后 他安静又温柔的 And it got to a point where, just very quietly, very gently,
唱了最后一首歌 he just sang his last song.
"谢谢你们的时间 然后你们也能谢谢我的" "But thanks for your time Then you can thank me for mine
"最后都忘了吧" "And after that's said forget it."
然后他就掏出手枪 扣动了扳机 And he reached down and pulled up a gun and pulled the trigger.
非常戏剧化的结尾 And that was the dramatic, very dramatic ending,
尽管他的整个生涯都谈不上成功 to what was actually a non-career.
1996年 南非的发行公司 In 1996, the South African record label
发行了罗德里格兹的第二张专辑《从现实来》 released Rodriguez's second album, Coming From Reality,
在南非第一次以CD格式发行 on CD for the first time in South Africa.
因为他们觉得我比较了解罗德里格兹 And because they thought I knew a lot about him,
他们问我愿不愿意一起写 专辑册子里面的文章 they asked if I wanted to co-write the liner notes for the booklet,
我写了 which I did.
这里我念一点 开始是说 And I'll read some of it to you. They start off by saying,
"如果一个流行艺术家身上 有诡异和神秘的气息" "if ever there is an air of intrigue and mystery around a pop artist,
"那个人就是罗德里格兹" "it is around the artist known as Rodriguez.
"世界上其他所有地方 "There's no air of intrigue and mystery
他都没有任何诡异和神秘的" around him anywhere else in the world
"因为他的两张专辑《从现实来》 和《冷事实》" "because his two albums, Coming From Reality and Cold Fact,
"全都无人问津" "were monumental flops everywhere else."
关键的来了 And this is the important part.
"关于罗德里格兹 我们没有任何'铁的事实'" "There were no concrete cold facts about the artist known as Rodriguez.
"有没有音乐学侦探来帮忙" "Any musicologist detectives out there?"
这就是改变了一切的一句话 And that, that's the line that changed everything.
我开始寻找罗德里格兹是在 I started searching for Rodriguez
我和一群人还在部队的时候 when a few of us were sitting around in the Army
有人问"罗德里格兹到底怎么死的" and somebody said, "How did Rodriguez die?"
仅仅是巧合 And just coincidence,
那个时候我正在寻找吸引人的文章题材 at the time I was looking for subject matter to write an article.
我记得我在纸上写了五点 I remember having, like, five points on a piece of paper.
第四条就是"弄明白罗德里格兹到底怎么死的" And number four, or something, was "Find out how Rodriguez died."
我觉得那肯定会是重磅新闻 I thought it would make a good story.
这件事被我抛诸脑后若干年 So that was in the back of my mind for many years
很多年过去以后 我看到这个 and then, many years later, I came across this, um,
《从现实来》的重新发行版本 里面这里写道 re-release of Coming From Reality and inside, the liner notes said,
"罗德里格兹没有'铁的事实'" "There were no concrete cold facts about the artist known as Rodriguez.
"有没有音乐学侦探来帮忙"这个问题 "Any musicologist detectives out there?" Um, was the question,
对我来说 就像是邀请函 and I think that to me, was like an invitation.
我想"那或许我来吧" I thought, "Well, maybe it's me".
我想到的第一个方法 就是追踪钱的下落 The first way I tried to find him was to just follow the money.
通常来说都是靠追踪钱 Normally, you follow the money.
一切问题归根结底都跟钱有关 That's how you get to the bottom of anything.
但一个死掉的人 财产去了哪里呢 But where do dead men's money go?
没有任何人知道他的事 我十分吃惊 I was astounded that no one knew anything about him.
大概他会让人回想起当时音乐行业是多么差 I guess it was reminiscent of how bad the music industry was.
随便开除人是出了名的 They were renowned for ripping people off.
这是之一 如果他们告诉我 And it is one thing, if they had said to me, "Oh, yeah,
"我们把钱送去了甲 或者乙"之类的 "we send the money to X place or Y," or whatever,
但都是模糊其词 but they just kept on being very vague.
实际上 如果我给人施压 的确能得到一个确切地址 And, in fact, when l put some pressure on somebody, I did get an address,
我也打了电话 and I called
我也不记得我说了什么留了什么言 and, I can't remember if I spoke to someone or left a message,
第二天再打过去的时候 电话号码就换掉了 but when I called the next day, the number had been changed.
这对于我来说.. And that to me was...
这对于想成为侦探的人来说都是大礼啊 I mean, that's a gift for anyone who wants to be a detective,
这是阻碍 阻碍就是灵感来源 is an obstacle, because an obstacle is an inspiration.
如果很简单就找到了 那它也没太大意思 If you just find things easily, they're not inspiring,
于是这个巨大的阻碍被我找到了 有人换了电话号码 and this was a great obstacle that somebody had changed their number.
我似乎嗅到了肮脏的金钱交易的味道 I just smelt a dirty money story somewhere there.
所以 跟其他艺术家相比 So, if you compare to other artists,
他到底有多成功 how big was it actually?
每个月都卖空 Every month it just sold.
你去到每个派对 每个地方 And every party you went to and every place you went to,
至少都可以听到一次这张专辑 you'd hear that album at least once.
我甚至都无法估算他在这里到底卖出了多少唱片 I don't think I could even think of how many albums he's sold here
罗比·曼恩 RPM唱片公司 罗德里格兹在南非的第一家发行商
因为时间跨度太大了 'cause it's a long period of time.
大概数字呢 What could be probable?
我只能猜了 当时可能卖了有50万张 I'd have to guess. Maybe half a million copies over that period of time.
对于一个小国家来说 这个数字很巨大了 It's a lot of records, especially for a small country.
黄金唱片 十倍还多 Gold record, ten times over.
罗德里格兹完全不知道他在南非这么出名 Rodriguez never got to know that he was big in South Africa.
这怎么会呢 How could that be?
我不知道 我是说 一切都有可能... Don't know. I mean, everything would have been...
我也觉得奇怪 I find that strange.
但就是不知道 I have no idea.
但你肯定要把版权费交到谁手里吧 But you must have sent royalties somewhere?
我们当然有付版权费 我们付给了A&M唱片公司 Of course we sent royalties. We sent royalties to A&M Records.
我记得那个厂牌 A&M苏萨克斯 I remember the label. It was A&M Sussex.
不知道他们是合作关系还是什么 我也不知道 Whether they had a partnership, whatever they had, I don't... You know.
所以我的建议是 如果你能找到 So, my suggestion is, if you can find out whoever the person was
当时苏萨克斯的老板 who owned Sussex Records,
你就能知道钱最后去哪里了 then you will find out what happened to the money.
很奇怪啊 不是吗 Because it's weird, isn't it?
克拉伦斯·阿凡特 唱片公司老板
真的非常奇怪 It's very strange. Very strange.
专辑当时有多红 有没有... How popular was the album? Was he as famous as,
跟滚石或者大门乐队比呢 you know, the Rolling Stones and the Doors?
比滚石是红多了 Oh, it was much bigger than Rolling Stones.
在当时绝对的 Absolutely, at the time, yeah.
你发行专辑的时候 有没有试着联络他 When you released the record, did you try to contact him?
不 完全没有 因为...因为当时 No, not at all. You know? Because... because, at the time,
传奇人物是... 我们这 有了艺术家了 the legend... the legend was... here was an artist.
就像吉米·亨德里克斯 This was like Jimi Hendrix.
有吉米·亨德里克斯在手 你就必须明白 With Jimi Hendrix catalogues, you've gotta understand,
你已经拿到了吉米·亨德里克斯的发行权 if you just got Jimi Hendrix and you'd got the license for this territory,
你肯定不会再去找吉米了 you're obviously not gonna go try get hold of Jimi Hendrix,
因为他已经死了 because he's dead.
那你的版权费是给谁了呢 But who did you pay royalties to?
给了苏萨克斯唱片公司 To Sussex Music.
给了克拉伦斯 To Clarence?
是啊 给了苏萨克斯 也就是他的公司 Yes. Well, to Sussex Music which is his company, yeah.
我决定做个图 So, I decided to make a diagram.
把所有我试着去理清的路线都画下来 Write down the whole path and trail that I was trying to work out.
所有的接触点 所有的唱片公司 All the various touch points, all the record companies,
所有和罗德里格兹 all the people that had dealings with Rodriguez
及其专辑有关系的人 and his album at some point.
我理出了所有的文档 I made this whole document.
发现南非有三家唱片公司 So I found out there were three record companies in South Africa
发行过罗德里格兹的专辑 that had released Rodriguez's records.
最终把我引到美国的一家唱片公司 Finally discovering that led to a record company in America.
是跟罗德里格兹签约 It was a company that had been signing Rodriguez
并且制作了他的第一张专辑 叫苏萨克斯 and creating his first album called Sussex.
然后我就开始搜索苏萨克斯 I then did my research on Sussex.
然后我就发现 That led me to discovering
当时苏萨克斯的老板叫克拉伦斯·阿凡特 who the owner of Sussex Records was: Clarence Avant.
阿凡特曾经是摩城唱片的老总 Clarence Avant, he'd been the head of Motown,
在唱片公司领域这是非常高的成就了 one of the most prestigious jobs to have in the record company industry.
我就继续搜索 竭尽全力想要找到阿凡特 So I did my research. I tried everything to get a hold of Clarence Avant,
但就是经常碰壁 没法找到 but I just got to a lot of closed doors. I could not get a hold of him.
不知道你是否见过这张照片 I don't know if you've ever seen this picture.
克拉伦斯·阿凡特 苏萨克斯唱片前老板
是他 That's him.
合作歌手 比尔·威瑟斯 迈尔斯·戴维斯 迈克尔·杰克逊 斯蒂夫·汪达 昆西·琼斯 珍妮·杰克逊 迪恩·沃里克
是罗德里格兹(前任摩城唱片老板) That's Rodriguez.
我都不知道这是什么时候的 I don't know when this was made. I have absolutely no idea.
应该是1970年 That's 1970, I think.
他是我们的人啊 This is my man.
我不想又变得情绪化了 Man, don't get me emotional again. Shit.
你已经让我激动了一回 You made me emotional once.
我不会再跟你聊着聊着又激动了 I ain't getting emotional no more sitting here talking to you, man.
如果得把跟自己合作过的艺人排个前十 If I had to name ten artists that I have ever been involved with,
罗德里格兹会在前五 就这么简单 Rodriguez would be in the top five, simple as that.
没有...你不会听到任何音乐像他写的这样 There's nothing... You never heard anything like him.
人们会说"鲍勃·迪伦嘛"我说"不 不" People would say, "Well, Bob Dylan." I said, "No, no".
鲍勃·迪伦跟他比起来太温和了 那他挣钱了吗 Bob Dylan was mild to this guy. Did it make any money?
美国这里是用这个来评价你的演唱的... We judge singing here in America...
你会问"它是不是...前一百" If you say, "Is it... Was it the top hundred?
"销量至少上榜没有" "Was it... was it number... Did it get on the charts as number 12?
"电台播放多吗"回答都是 没有 "Was there a lot of radio play?" The answer's, "No, man."
没人知道...罗德里格兹 谁啊 Nobody didn't... Rodriguez?
这个名字甚至都没注册过 You know, that name didn't register.
虽然他相貌看上去是白人 但 罗德里格兹 Although he looked like he was a white guy but, even still, Rodriguez,
每个人都知道罗德里格兹是个西裔的名字 everybody knew Rodriguez, that's a Spanish name.
拉丁名字 当时还没有拉丁音乐呢 A Latin name. Latin music was not happening then.
那你认为他在美国卖出了多少专辑 How many records do you think he sold in America?
美国吗 6张 In America'? Six.
可能我老婆买了 我女儿买了... Maybe my wife bought it, maybe my daughter bought...
她应该没有 但尼尔 丹尼斯 麦克买了 She couldn't buy it, but maybe Neil Bogart, maybe Dennis and Mike.
嘿 听着 它在这里根本卖不动 Hey, look, man, you know, it didn't sell here.
他也曾经让人十分激动 There was some excitement about him.
两个经理人听过他的歌 想带他来加州 Couple of agents heard him and wanted to bring him to California
他来了加州以后显得十分拘谨 and, you know, when he came to California he was nervous,
还背对着观众 and he turned his back to the audience
大家都会问"这什么情况啊" and everybody said, "Well, what the hell is this?"
但事实是 But the thing is that the guy sold
他在另一个国家卖出了几十万张专辑 hundreds of thousands of records in another country.
难道我还要去南非追踪他卖了多少专辑吗 I'm going to South Africa to try to chase somebody who's selling records?
靠 才不会 Shit, no, man.
但是你知道他在南非红极一时吗 But did you know that he was big in South Africa?
年轻人 我已经不在乎什么罗德里格兹了 Rodriguez, young man, never happened insofar as I'm concerned.
句号 Period.
但如果我真的要追踪钱的去向 我该怎么做 But if I'm really gonna try to track down the money, how should I do it?
钱真的很重要吗 Well, is that important, the money? Or is Rod...
哪个更重要 罗德里格兹的故事还是他的钱 Which is important? Rodriguez's story or you worrying about the money?
南非有多少人 How many people in South Africa?
四千万 四万 多少人口 40 million? 40 thousand? 40 million people? How many people?
南非常住人口四千万 40 million people live in South Africa.
那他们解放了多久了 三小时吗 Well, so they've been freed for how long? Three hours?
你问这个到底是什么意思 So what the fuck's that supposed to mean?
刚才午饭时候你告诉我 他们把唱片磨坏 You told me at lunch, they scratch records
因为他们不想让歌词流通 because they wouldn't let the lyrics...
以及地下的运动 他到底有多红 So the underground movement, how big was it'? How big was it?
他在南非卖出了50万张专辑 He sold half a million records in South Africa.
好吧他卖了50万张 那又怎样呢 So he sold half a million records. So what?
我不知道他是卖给谁了 I don't know who he sold them to.
他有几个发行商 我什么都不知道 How many distributors did he have? I have no idea.
只有...只有三家发行商 There are only... There are three record labels.
-我跟他们都谈过... -哦 太好了 -I spoke to all the record label... -Well, great.
发行过他的唱片的人... ...bosses in South Africa who has released his records. It was...
回去叫他们把账户信息发给我 Go back to 'em and tell 'em to send me an account.
你觉得我会担心这个吗 1970年的合同 You think it's something I'm gonna worry about, a 1970 contract?
你要是这么想 那你就疯了 If you do, you're outta your goddamn mind.
佛像唱片公司倒闭了 我公司也倒闭了 Buddha Records out of business. I'm out of business.
你觉得他们会关心这个吗 我知道我肯定不会 So you think they give a shit about that? I know I wouldn't.
我已经坚持搜寻罗德里格兹的消息 I've been looking for information
有好长时间了 about Rodriguez for a long time.
我甚至开设了网站 叫"罗德里格兹大搜寻" I've even setup a web page called The Great Rodriguez Hunt
希望网上或许有人 in the hope that someone out there in cyberspace
有任何关于罗德里格兹的消息 would post a message on the forum giving us
都可以贴在网站的论坛 any information about Rodriguez.
但什么都没有 But there was nothing.
这时候我和克雷格见面了 At that stage I met Craig,
他就是看了我的邀请后出现的音乐学侦探 who was the musicologist detective who had read my liner notes
也还在一起寻找罗德里格兹 and who was also searching for Rodriguez.
所以他飞来开普敦 我们在咖啡厅见了个面 And he flew down to Cape Town and we met in a coffee shop.
我们交换了手头的资料 And we exchanged all the information we had.
但还是太少 But unfortunately we had very little.
那个时候 我记得 And at that stage I remember
我们都觉得最好停一停了 we felt it was probably best if we just stopped.
我陷入了迷茫 So basically I was lost.
走到死胡同了 就是找不到 I'd come to a dead end. I couldn't find him.
都不知道要再去哪里找 I didn't know where to look any more.
我甚至去了他歌里唱到过的地方 I'd even visited the places that he sang about.
我去了伦敦 没有收获 I'd been to London. Nothing.
我去了阿姆斯特丹 他唱过的 也没有发现 I'd been to Amsterdam. He sings about Amsterdam. Nothing.
我基本上是放弃了 我想"就这样吧" And one day I'd basically given up. I thought, "Well, this is it. "
有一天 很偶然的 我在车里听他的专辑 And one day, just by accident, I was listening to the album in the car
我听到这首《城市内蓝调》 and I heard the song Inner City Blues.
很棒的歌 然后歌词是这样的 Great song. And the line came up.
"我在迪尔本遇到一个女孩 今天早上六点钟" "I met a girl in Dearborn, early six o'clock this morn.
"冰冷的事实" "A cold fact."
然后我就想"等等"我从没查过迪尔本是什么 Then I thought, "Hang on a minute." I 'd never checked out Dearborn.
我甚至都不知道这是个地名 但我觉得 I didn't even know if it was a city but then I thought,
"听上去确实就是个镇或者市的名字" "Actually that sounds like a town or a city."
我就想"等等 让我在地图上找找" And I thought, "Hang on, let me check it out in an atlas."
所以我就把旧地图找出来 So I went through to my old atlas and pulled it out.
看看能找到什么 I thought, "Let me see what I could find here.
"看看能不能找到迪尔本" "Let me see if I could find Dearborn."
嗯...迪尔... Urn... Dear...
然后我就找到了 迪尔本 韦恩 密歇根 F7 Then I found it. Dearborn, Wayne, Michigan. F7.
F...7. F...7.
迪尔本 底特律的一部分 我想这是个重大突破了 Dearborn. Part of Detroit. That was a huge breakthrough in my mind.
底特律是摩城唱片的老家 Detroit, home of Motown,
那里还有马尔文·盖伊 斯蒂夫·汪达 Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder,
然后最后发现还有麦克·希尔多 专辑的制作人 and, eventually, Mike Theodore, the producer of the album.
1997年8月
我在自家公寓里坐着 正要喝咖啡 I was sifting in my condo, just having a cup of coffee.
抬头看看窗外的大海 这时候电话响了 I was looking out the window watching the ocean. Phone rings.
一个长途电话 It's a long-distance call
从南非打来的 from South Africa...
是一个作家 叫克雷格 from a writer whose name's Craig Bartholomew,
然后他就开始告诉我这个传奇的故事 and he starts telling me this amazing story.
他说"你知道吗" So he said, "Do you know that Rodriguez
"罗德里格兹的专辑已经在南非畅销25年了" "has been selling in South Africa for 25 years.
"专辑卖了好几百万张" "His albums are selling millions."
我说"什么" I said, "What?"
然后他就开始...给我讲这些故事 Then he's sitting there and he wants... he starts telling me some stories.
他问"罗德里格兹是怎么死的" He said, "How did Rodriguez die?"
然后他还告诉我他听说罗德里格兹... And he's telling me information that he had that Rodriguez had...
在舞台上朝自己脑袋开了一枪 blown his brains out on stage,
或者是自己把自己烧着自杀了 or set himself on fire and killed himself.
我有一百个问题想问 I had 100 questions I wanted to ask.
我真的希望把那些问题都得到解答 I was just hoping I could get all my questions in, you know.
"他为什么写了这句词 为什么又写了那句" "Why did he write this lyric? Why did he write that lyric?
"他这张专辑在哪里录的 那张呢" "Where did he record this album? Where did he record that album?"
我们聊着 问了他好多问题 太神奇了 And we got talking and I asked him a lot of questions and it was amazing.
问答的过程就像坐过山车一样 It was a rollercoaster ride of questions and answers,
最后终于找到真是让人开心 and it was a euphoric moment of just having finally broken through
有所发现 and discovered something.
最后我终于问了自己最想知道的问题 And finally I got to the one question I wanted to know the answer of, was,
"罗德里格兹是怎么死的 是在舞台上自杀的吗" "How did Rodriguez die? Did he blow himself up on stage? Or...
"这个戏剧化的结局到底是怎样的" "What is this dramatic story?
"我们还是不要绕弯子了 告诉我怎么回事" "Let's open up the lid on this right away, and find out what happened."
麦克·希尔多说"你说他死了是什么意思 他没有死" And Mike Theodore said, "What do you mean dead? He's not dead.
"西斯托还活着 活蹦乱跳的呢" "Sixto is alive. He's alive and kicking.
"西斯多·罗德里格兹还活得好好的" "The principal artist known as Sixto Rodriguez is alive and kicking
"生活在底特律" "and living in Detroit."
我不记得是谁打电话给我说"他们找到他了" I... I can't remember who called me and said, "They've found him."
我说"不可能 你玩儿我呢 这...不可能" I said, "No. You're shitting me. This isn't... No."
一开始我以为是恶作剧 以为是谁在假扮他 At first I thought it was a hoax. I thought somebody was faking it.
就像去图坦卡门的墓里 You know, it's like going into Tutankhamen's tomb
找木乃伊 and finding the mummy.
就像突然发现"哇 他还活着" You know, it was like, "Wow, he lives."
电话还没挂断我就忍不住开始跳舞 I remember dancing on the spot when I was staying on the phone.
克雷格和我上蹿下跳的 And Craig and I were jumping up and down saying,
说"我们找到他了 我们找到他了" "We found him, we found him."
这真是最让人兴奋的一件事 我们真的做到了 It was the most exciting thing. We'd actually done it.
《我想起了你》 罗德里格兹 I Think of You by Rodriguez
一首我们一起听的歌 Just a song we shared out here
让我回想起你还在这里的时候 Brings memories back when you were here
你的笑脸 轻松的笑声 Of your smile, your easy laughter
你的吻 和那之后的温存 Of your kiss, those moments after
我想起了你 I think of you
所以就这样了 So that was it.
目标达到了 故事有结果了 I'd come to the point, it was the end of the story.
我本来是在找一个死掉的人 I was searching for a dead man.
突然一早醒来我找到了他并且他还活着 One morning I discovered a living man.
对我来说故事这样就结束了 我写了报道 And to me that was the end of the story. I wrote my article,
我给文章取名为"寻找耶稣" I called it "Looking for Jesus."
我传真给了很多人 I faxed it to many individuals,
参与进来的很多人 many people involved,
但不知怎么 这篇文章漂洋过海穿越大西洋 but somehow this article made its way across the Atlantic
到了美国某个人手里 and into the hands of someone in America.
我以为故事就这样结束了 And what I thought was the end of story
而这其实是另一个故事的开始 was actually just the beginning of another story,
最精彩的还没到来呢 and the best part was still to come.
我不知道放哪里了 可能要一点时间 'Cause I don't know where it is. It might take a while.
上面有日期 They do have the dates.
"三年时光寻找已故歌手"就是它 "Three-year search for dead singer." Yes.
97年8月 我当时在堪萨斯州 August '97. I was in Kansas.
我上班的时候收到文章的拷贝 I got a copy of it to me at work.
当时我在上24小时的轮班 I was on, like, a 24-hour shift.
然后我就上网 And then, I went online
就发现了这个网站 and that's when I discovered the website.
当时网站上有一个牛奶盒上面有照片 When I went online there was this milk carton with a picture.
旁边写"通缉""你见过这个人吗" And it said, "Wanted" and "Have you seen this man?"
我就说"其实呢 我见过他" I was like, "Matter of fact, I have seen him before."
我回复说"罗德里格兹是我父亲 我说真的" I replied, "Rodriguez is my father. I'm serious.
"你真的想要认识我父亲吗" "Do you really want to know about my father?
伊娃·罗德里格兹 长女
"有时候一个奇迹还是要亲身经历的" "Sometimes the fantasy is better left alive."
我不知道我为什么要那么说 但我就这样说了 I don't know why I said that, but anyway I did.
然后我留了电邮地址和电话号码 And then I gave them e-mail address, phone numbers,
所有的联系方式 然后他们就给我打电话了 anything that they wanted to contact me. And he phoned me.
我们已经知道罗德里格兹还活着了 Well, we'd found out that Rodriguez was alive.
也跟克雷格聊过了 I'd spoken to Craig.
那天我去上班 阿历克斯·麦科林多 I came to work and Alex McCrindle,
他跟我一起管理网站的 who was the guy I worked on the website with said,
他说"你不会相信网站上刚刚发生了什么" "You're not going to believe what's on the website."
网站里面有个论坛 人们可以留言的 And on the website was a forum where people could post messages,
有一条消息发来说 and there was a message that said,
"我叫伊娃 是罗德里格兹的女儿" "My name's Eva. I'm Rodriguez's daughter."
她留下了电话号码 还说 She'd left a phone number and she said,
"我很想跟这件事情的发起人..." "I'd like to speak to someone
"...聊一聊" in connection with this."
所以当晚我就打电话给她 So that night I phoned her.
我说"你好 我是老糖"她说"我是伊娃" I said, "Hi, I'm Sugar," and she said, "I'm Eva,"
我们有了一次神奇的交谈 and we had the most amazing conversation.
她告诉我她的父亲是谁 She explained to me who her father was,
他后来做了什么 去了哪里 what he had done, where he had been.
她问我是谁 我解释了自己为什么叫"老糖" She asked me who I was and I explained why my name was Sugar
以及自己为什么会创办那个网站 and how I was involved with the website.
最后我跟她说 And then at the end I said to her,
"这是我经历过的最神奇的事" "This has been the most amazing thing for me,
"如果我真的能够" "and what would be really great is if I could,
"跟你的父亲说上话 那就真的太好了" "at some point, speak to your dad.
"我很想跟他问声好" "I'd love it if I could just say hello to him. "
因为对我来说 这就是整个寻找过程的终点 Because, for me, this was son' of the end of the search
我真的很想跟这个人说说话 and I just wanted to speak to this man.
然后我就去睡觉了 And then I went to bed.
那天凌晨一点钟 电话响了 And 1:00 in the morning that night, the phone rang.
是我妻子接的因为电话在她那边 And my wife answers it 'cause it was her side of the bed.
我记得 她接起电话 然后脸色就变了 And I remember she picked up the phone and her face just changed.
一副吓坏了的表情 说"是他" She had this look of awe. She said, "it's him."
我惊呆了 甚至都没睡醒 And I was in shock. I'd been sleeping
就跑去隔壁书房 and I ran into the other room, into my study,
接起电话 她那边放下 and I picked up the phone and she put hers down.
我说"喂"然后一个声音传来说... And I said, "Hello?" and a voice said...
"喂 是老糖吗" "Hello, is that Sugar?"
我知道 我就是知道 因为我熟悉那个声音 And I knew, I just knew, because I knew that voice.
我在唱片里听过无数次这个声音 我知道这就是他 I'd heard that voice so many times on the records, I knew it was him.
我在跟罗德里格兹说话啊 I was talking to Rodriguez.
这对我来说 是一生中最美的瞬间之一 That, for me, was one of the greatest moments of my life.
《桑德瑞文小夜曲》 罗德里格兹 1971
-你准备好了就可以 -好 -Whenever you're ready. -Okay.
这样行吗 我应该手上做点什么吗 Is this all right? Should I be doing something though?
是不是该拿杯水什么的 这样可以吗 Should I have a glass of water or something? Is that right?
-想要水吗 -可以 -Do you want? -Yeah. I like that.
嗯...我想这个谈话应该是舒适轻松的 Yeah, this is... I'm supposed to be comfortable.
再问一遍问题吧 我再听得清楚一些 So run the question to me again. Just so I can hear it in my head.
七八十年代的时候 你有接到任何来自南非的联络吗 In the '70s and '80s, did you ever get any contact from South Africa?
嗯...没有 Uh... No, I didn't.
或许是因为他们没有联系电话 但我没有收到过 Maybe they didn't have a contact number or something but, no, I didn't.
这让你感觉如何呢 你完全不知道... How does that feel? You weren't aware of something
这样一件有可能改变你一生的事 that would have changed your life completely.
我是说 很可能会变得更好 I mean, probably to the better.
我不知道这会不会让我的生活变得更好 Well, I don't know if it would have been for the better,
但肯定有这个想法的 but it's certainly a thought, you know.
但知道自己曾经红极一时 不是会感觉很好吗 But wouldn't it have been nice to know that you were a superstar?
这个... Uh, well...
我不知道如何回答 I don't know how to respond to that.
在《从现实来》之后 你想不想继续录制专辑 After Coming From Reality, did you wanna continue making albums?
我也很想继续 但没有比这张更好的了 I would have liked to have continued but nothing beats Reality.
所以我就回来上班了 So I pretty much went back to work.
你做了什么工作 What did you do?
我当雇佣劳力 I... Well, I'd do hired labor.
拆除旧屋 装修新屋 Demolition, renovation of buildings,
帮助恢复重建房屋 of homes, you know. Restoration.
喜欢这份工作吗 Did you enjoy that'?
喜欢 可以循环血液 保持健康 I do. It keeps the blood circulating, keeps you fit, yeah.
但是离音乐行业很远啊 But it's quite far away from music.
是啊 是有一点 挺有对比的 Uh... Yeah, quite a bit, quite a different contrast, yeah.
那你自己还有接着写歌吗 Did you continue making music on your own?
有 我弹吉他 我喜欢弹吉他 I do, I play guitar. I love playing guitar.
但我也喜欢听 我喜欢去看演出 But I do love to listen. I like to go see the shows and things.
但的确没有远离它 But I do get about.
《街头男孩》 罗德里格兹 1971 Street Boy by Rodriguez
街头男孩 你在外太久了 Street boy You've been out too long
街头男孩 是时候回家了 Street boy Makes kind of sense to go home
街头男孩 你这样会孤独终老 Street boy You're gonna end up alone
你需要爱与包容 You need some love and understanding
生活不是像你计划的那样的死胡同 Not that dead-end life you're planning Street boy
你回到家 但不能久留 You go home but you can't stay
因为总有事让你再次远行 Because something's always pulling you away
你问了声好然后就道别 You're fast hellos And quick goodbyes
你只是个街头男孩 街灯在你眼里 You're just a street boy with the street lights in your eyes
你最好打点自己 去寻找更好的 You'd better get yourself together Look for something better
他从没说过自己有失望 He never said anything about being disappointed.
他会继续下去 生存着 He would just move on, continue to survive
因为人不能简简单单就放弃 because you can't just give up.
那他都忙了些什么呢 What did he do instead?
他经常阅读 He read a lot.
参与到政治 加入到社区服务 He was involved in politics. He was involved in the community.
参加过抗议和示威 He would attend protests and rallies,
瑞根·罗德里格兹 小女儿
只要主题是他支持的 他会带我们一起 if those were causes that he believed in. He would take us along.
他总是支持为人民做实事 He was always a proponent of working for the people
那些声音或许会被埋没的人 that maybe didn't always have a voice,
或者没有机会站出来说话的人 工人阶级 穷人 or didn't have a chance to speak up, the working class, the working poor.
他在这些方面有很多经历 He had a lot of experience in that area.
他做事的方法 He approached the work
和大多数人都不一样 from a different place than most people do.
态度非常 非常认真 He took it very, very seriously.
像接受圣礼一样 Son' of like a sacrament, you know?
脏乱的活儿得连续做8 10小时 He was going to do this dirty, dirty work for eight or ten hours, okay?
瑞克·埃莫森 建筑工人 同事
但他可以穿燕尾服来 But he was dressed in a tuxedo.
他的这个神奇的特质 很很多诗人和艺术家一样 He had this kind of magical quality that all genuine poets and artists have
提升事物的本质 超越世俗和平凡 to elevate things. To get above the mundane, the prosaic.
那些胡扯 庸人 到处都是 All the bullshit. All the mediocrity that's everywhere.
而艺术家 是先锋 The artist, the artist is the pioneer.
就算音乐的梦想没有了 但精神还在 Even if his musical hopes were dashed, the spirit remained.
他只需要继续找到属于自己的地方 And he just had to keep finding a place, refining the process
重新提炼实现自我价值的过程 of how to apply himself.
他知道生活不止这些 He knew that there was something more.
那是80年代初 他想做点什么 It was in the early '80s. He wanted to do something,
做正义的事 去做出改变 do something righteous, make a difference.
所以 你瞧... So, lo and behold...
他告诉我他要去竞选市长 ...he told me that he was gonna run for mayor,
我就想"上帝保佑你吧 罗德里格兹" and I thought, "Well, God bless you, Rodriguez.
"如果你能成为底特律的市长 "You know, if you can become Mayor of Detroit,
那没有什么是不可能的" then anything is possible."
《城市蓝调》 罗德里格兹 Inner City Blues by Rodriguez
在迪尔本见到一个女孩 今天清晨6点 Meta girl from Dearborn Early six o'clock this morn
冰冷冷的事实 A cold fact
问了问她的挎包 郊区是多么拖累 Asked about her bag Suburbia's such a drag
不会回去了 Won't go back
因为爸爸不允许有新的思想 Cos papa don't allow no new ideas here
过去竞选的东西 Some old items from Rodriguez.
这是保险杠贴纸 是他第一次竞选市议会时候的 This is his bumper sticker, from the first time he ran for city council.
这应该是最后表决的结果 And I think this is a copy of the ballot.
他从未赢得过任何选举 He didn't win an election, ever.
139票 一共有169人参选 最后只有9人选中 139. There were 169 candidates. Nine get elected.
他们甚至把他的名字拼错了 They spelled his name wrong.
我母亲那边的家人 My relatives on my mother's side of the family are European
有欧洲和美国原住民血统 and Native American.
我父亲的家人来自墨西哥 And my father's family is Mexican.
爷爷从墨西哥过来的 My grandfather came from Mexico.
墨西哥人来到底特律 在汽车厂工作 The Mexican came to Detroit to work in the auto factories,
所以我们都是工人阶级 蓝领工人 辛苦劳动 so we were working-class people, blue-collar workers, hard labor.
我们搬过26次家 有些房子都没有卧室 Um, we lived in 26 different homes and some houses didn't have bedrooms.
还有些房子没有浴室 Some houses didn't have bathrooms.
它们都不算是家 只能说是我们住过的地方 And they weren't homes. They were just places that we lived.
但人们贫穷 没有什么家产 But just because people are poor or have little
并不代表他们的梦想就不大 doesn't mean that, you know, their dreams aren't big
不代表精神就不富裕 and their soul isn't rich, you know,
但这就是阶级和偏见的来源 and that's where the classes and the prejudice come from
就是你和我是不同的 is that there is a difference between you and me,
他们和我们是不同的 and there's a difference between them and us.
《最恶心的歌》 罗德里格兹 A Most Disgusting Song by Rodriguez
我在各种各样的地方表演过 I've played every kind of gig there is to play now
有同志酒吧 招妓酒吧 摩托车葬礼 I've played faggot bars, hooker bars, motorcycle funerals
还有歌剧院 演奏厅 施工到一半的房子 In opera houses, concert halls, halfway houses
我发现这些所有我表演过的地方 Well, I found that in all these places that I've played
所有看我表演的人 都是一类 All the people that I've played for are the same people
所以如果你继续听 或许能在这首歌里听到你认识的人 So if you'll listen, maybe you'll see someone you know in this song
最恶心的歌 A most disgusting song
他只是做普通木工的工作 He wasn't just doing your average carpentry, you know,
但真的把整个房子都打扫了 he was really cleaning out the house.
做一些别人都不愿做的事 I mean, doing work that no one else wanted to do.
真的 没人愿意做的 Really, no one else wanted to do that work.
他会带着一身的尘土和木屑回到家 He would come home, he would be covered in dust and din', paint chips,
在长长的一整天工作以后 from his day's work. Long days.
我曾经在楼下见过他背着一个冰箱 I saw him take refrigerators down on his back, downstairs.
这就是他日常的工作 It was just a day at work for him,
但我知道他比我认识的很多父亲 but I knew he was a harder worker than a lot of
都要更努力地工作 other fathers that I knew of.
这是一个让你没法拥有太多梦想的城市 It's a city that tells you not to dream big,
不要去期待太多 not to expect anything more.
但是他经常带我去 But he always took me to places
只有上层精英人士才能去的地方 that only certain elite people would be able to go.
他似乎是在告诉我 我可以去任何地方 So, he kind of instilled in me that I can go anywhere I want,
桑德拉·罗德里格兹-肯尼迪 二女儿
不管银行账户有多少钱 我都可以去 regardless of what my bank statement says, and I'm going, you know.
他就是这样的人 给我展现了很多顶端的风采 So, that's kinda how he was. He showed me the top floors of places.
我想"我和他们一样棒" I said, "I'm just as good as they are," you know.
他在大学里主修哲学 He majored in philosophy in university.
爸爸让我们接触了很多艺术 My dad gave us a lot of exposure to the arts.
他会带我们去图书馆 He would let us go into the libraries
博物馆 科技中心 and the museums and the science centres,
那里就成了我们的日托班 and where that was our day care,
我们在圣地亚哥热维拉的博物馆大厅内穿行 and we toured the halls of the museum in San Diego Rivera
都是毕加索 德拉克洛瓦... and, you know, all Picasso and Delacroix and...
我们开始了解到城市以外的生活 We began to learn of life outside of the city,
就是从书 绘画 音乐中学来的 and that's in books and paintings and in music.
《生活方式》 罗德里格兹 Lifestyles by Rodriguez
法官们的同情心 The judges with meter-maid hearts
和他们泛滥的正义感 Or their supermarket justice starts
孩子们被困在城市 Frozen children inner city
纸片雨中行走的人 Walkers in the paper rain
等待永远不会来的骑士 Waiting for those knights that never came
被劫持着还在强装美丽 The hijacked trying so hard to be pretty
夜里的雨拍打着我的窗 Night rains tap at my window
想法如风飘散 Winds of my thoughts passing by
我试着告诉她 却换来嘲笑 She laughed when I tried to tell her
你好最终变再见 Hello only ends in goodbye
我是16岁开始表演的 Well, I started playing when I was 16,
问题是 那把吉他是全家共有的 and the thing is, it was a family guitar,
我在市区很多酒吧和俱乐部都表演过 小厅 and I played a lot of bars in the city and clubs in the city, small rooms.
然后就见到了麦克·希尔多和丹尼斯·科菲 And I met Mike Theodore and Dennis Coffey
他们来俱乐部看我演出 and they came to the club to see me play.
我在一个叫"下水道"的地方表演 I had a gig at a place called The Sewer,
就在底特律河旁边 right out by the Detroit River,
然后我们就从克拉伦斯·阿凡特 那里拿到了唱片合约 and then we got a record deal from Clarence Avant,
"下水道"俱乐部 1969年
一切就是这样开始的 so that's how it started.
早期的那些年...工作很辛苦 But all those early years were, you know... lot of work.
我当时在一个克莱斯勒的工地 叫道奇缅因 I was at a Chrysler plant called Dodge Maine,
同时还在底特律的埃尔顿路和林奇路做工 and I also worked at Eldon and Lynch Road in Detroit.
在热力部门工作 之类的 Worked in the heat treat department. Stuff like that.
很多重体力活 A lot of heavy labor.
但那一年很棒 《冷事实》那一年 But it was a good year for me. This Cold Fact thing.
我实现了一直以来的目标 有一个实在的产出了 I had achieved what I was trying to do, is to get a product, you know.
我觉得 一切也都进行的很顺利 And it was going very well, I thought, you know.
什么感觉呢 就是有一项成就 变成现实的感觉 How did it feel? A great feeling of accomplishment. Actualization.
你觉得这张专辑怎么样 Did you believe that it was a good album?
我已尽我所能 I did my best with it.
评价也挺不错... The reviews were good on it, and...
嗯 我觉得它挺好 Yeah, I thought it was good.
虽然你不该问我这个问题的 I'm not the one to ask that, though.
不该问我的 Ask that question to.
但是请继续吧 But you go ahead, yeah.
它卖不动你有很吃惊吗 Were you surprised that it didn't sell?
我吃惊吗 Was I surprised?
这是音乐产业 所以没有什么保证的 It's the music business so there's no guarantees, you know?
我告诉他"你比猫王还火" So I told him, "You're bigger than Elvis, "
他问"什么意思" and he said, "What do you mean?"
我说"在南非 你比猫王还要受欢迎" I said, "In South Africa you are more popular than Elvis Presley. "
然后他就停住了 And there was this pause,
我感到他可能要生气了要挂电话 and I sensed he thought it was a crank call and he was gonna hang up.
我就说"听着 等等 听我说" So I said, "Listen, wait. Listen, listen to me, wait.
"我向你保证 你过来吧 一定不会失望的" "I promise you, just come here. You won't be disappointed."
他当时正在木桥的工地辛苦工作 He's working his ass off in Woodbridge.
突然有天他拿着一个牛奶盒子 上面印着自己的照片 One day, be brought this picture of himself on a milk carton.
他说"埃莫森 看看这个 有人在找我呢" And he'd say, "Emmerson, look at this. You know, they're looking for me."
我说"真的 为什么呢" I said, "Really? Why is that, Rodriguez?"
第二天他就说"埃莫森 我要去巡回演出了" Next day he says, "Emmerson, I gotta go on tour."
我说"拜托 罗德里格兹 你不会是认真的吧" I said, "Come on, Rodriguez, are you serious?"
因为我是记者 所以我很怀疑 Because I'm a journalist, I doubted it.
在宇宙的合理范围内这种事情是不会发生的 That son' of thing does not happen in the rational universe.
因为它跟自然和上帝的法则都违背啊 It does not happen. It's against the laws of God and nature.
他要来这里巡回 肯定是个冒名顶替的 This guy is coming to tour here, he must be an imposter.
这就是个巧妙的公关骗局 It's a clever public relations scam.
瑞恩·马兰 记者 作家
其实都算不上是巧妙 它太愚蠢了... Actually, not even a clever public relations scam. it's a stupid...
因为太明显了 这不可能是真的 'Cause it so obviously can't be true.
只有蠢材才会相信... Only idiots would believe it. They...
但是我错了 But I was wrong.
1998年3月2日
马上要下飞机了 我们都很紧张 We were always anxious, of course, to get off the plane.
也是一次漫长的旅途 That was a long flight.
终于下了飞机 我们把行李背在背上 But we got off the plane and we put our bags on our backs
行李挺沉 我们就在机场慢慢走着 and, you know, they were heavy and we just kept moving towards the airport.
然后突然 两三辆加长豪华车停在面前 And suddenly, three, two limousines pulled up
我们肯定这车不是接我们的 and we were sure that they weren't for us.
只能是绕着走了 We were like kind of walking around them.
想"噢我们千万别挡了别人的路" Like, "Oh, we better get out of these people's way
"因为坐豪华车的都是大人物啊" "'cause they're important people in limos."
但它们是来接我们的 一切就是如此开始了 But they were for us. And that's when it began.
完全是另一个世界了 另一个世界 It was all another world. It was another world.
就像人们见到麦当娜一样... Just like you would see people... over Madonna or...
我们一出现就看到各种狗仔队... Like stepping out into the wind and the paparazzi and all the...
还有各种助手 工作人员 都来欢迎他 you know, the production assistants and everybody are there to welcome him
带我们去VIP套房 and take us into the VIP suite.
还有白色地毯 这可是... The white carpeting. You know, that was something that
我们从没想过自己会踏上这洁白的地毯 never would we ever even dream of walking on white carpeting,
尤其是我们还穿着鞋呢 especially in your shoes.
他们用豪华车载着他开往市区 They put him in a limo and they drove him into the city.
一路上 And along the way,
路灯的灯柱上都是演唱会的海报 on all the lampposts, were placards advertising the concert.
他在经过的每根灯柱上都看到自己的脸 And he saw his face on every lamppost as it sped by
说"这是我 这是我 这是我" and he'd go, "There I am, there I am, there I am."
所以我们就到了 见到了所有人 So we came and we got to meet all the people.
我们见到了克雷格 他的家人和孩子 We got to meet Craig Bartholomew and their family and their kids
见到了斯蒂夫·西格曼 and Stephen Segerman.
每个人都特别开心 兴奋 And everybody was just so happy. Everybody was thrilled.
更开心的是我们 We were even happier.
斯蒂芬给我打了个电话 Stephen phoned me.
他说"你不会相信的..." He said, "You will never believe this...
"罗德里格兹来南非了" "but Rodriguez is coming to South Africa
"我们可以做他的暖场乐队" "and we can be the opening band.
"你愿意吗"我说"当然了" "Do you wanna do it?" I said, "Of course we wanna do it."
"怎么回事 他人在哪儿呢""他们找到他了" "Why? Where is he?" "Now they found him.
"他们找到他了 他还活着 马上要来南非巡演了" "They found him, he's alive, he's gonna come and tour in South Africa."
"我们要当他的暖场乐队了"我真是没法相信 "Are we gonna be the opening band?" So I couldn't really believe this.
然后我才了解到 他住在底特律 还有其他的一切 And then I got all the information: he's living in Detroit and everything.
一阵子过后他又说 And then a little while later he said,
"他似乎没有自己的乐队" "Look, it turns out he hasn't got a band.
"我们能做他的乐队吗" "Could we be the support band?" I mean his band.
我记得 直到那时 我们还在想 I remember, even then, we were sort of,
"这真的是罗德里格兹" "Is this really gonna be Rodriguez?"
直到他真的开口唱歌我们才能确信 We'll only know if he can actually sing these songs.
我们真的不知道 如果这家伙是假的呢 I mean, we don't know. What if it's just some guy?
这就像是 It was just like
伊娃·罗德里格兹的家庭录影带资料
头一天我们才听说 one day we heard about it
第二天我们就飞过去了 and the next day we were there,
眼见为实嘛 trying to believe our eyes,
一切都太令人震惊了 thinking it was just all very shocking.
我不知道 他倒是挺轻松的 I don't know, he took to it really easy.
就直接过去 做自己该做的 He just walked in and did his thing
我很吃惊 他还做得那么棒 and I was amazed that he did so well.
但是他不是 But he's not all
"活在云端"的那种人 "head in the clouds" kinda guy.
反而有点太贴近大地了 He's a little bit too much grounded.
他没有 He didn't take advantage
享受各种设施服务之类的 of all the amenities and stuff.
也没有睡在那个超大的床上 He didn't sleep in the big double king size bed.
我发现他蜷缩在椅子上睡, He kinda curled up on the love seat and I found him there and...
他只是觉得没有必要让别人多整理一张床 Yeah, he just didn't think somebody should have to make another bed
因为他会把它弄乱... because he messed it up or...
有一次 There was a time
我在我们的住处 where I stayed in the house we were at
大家都不在 and everyone else had gone out.
电话响了 它一直响 The phone rang and it kept ringing,
所以我就接了 so I decided to answer it.
是一个记者 And it was a reporter
想跟罗德里格兹聊聊 looking to speak with Rodriguez
想安排时间做个采访 and set up time for an interview.
在她挂电话之前 因为我让她晚点打来 And then, before she hung up, after I told her to call back later
因为我也不能做什么决定 to talk to someone 'cause I couldn't help her,
她说 就我们俩之间说 她想知道 she told me that she wanted to know, between she and I,
这是不是真的罗德里格兹 if it was the real Rodriguez.
我们当时正照着CD排练 We were rehearsing with a CD
演唱会的歌 of the songs that we've got
在开普敦的录音棚里 in the studio here in Cape Town
那天他到了机场 来到录音棚 on the day that he came from the airport, when he arrived,
走进来的时候我们正好到一首歌的中间 and we were actually in the middle of a song when he walked in
他就接过话筒 把歌唱完了 and just took over the microphone and finished the song.
我们关掉了CD We switched off the CD player
完完全全的 天衣无缝 and it was, like, completely seamless.
天衣无缝 Completely seamless.
我想"就是他了" I mean, "OK, this is the guy."
我想我们都知道 I think we all knew this is
这次的演唱会将是多么多么特别 gonna be something really special.
谢谢你 开普敦 谢谢 Thank you, Cape Town. Thank you.
当我们... When we, uh...
搭上那班飞机的时候 initially got on a plane,
我在想 希望到时候有 I thought maybe there 'd be, hopefully,
20个观众吧 20 people in the audience.
希望啊 Hopefully.
但结果真的非常 非常不一样 But it turned out really, really different than that.
男女老少 And there's old people and young people
都来看演唱会了 and they're coming to see the show.
然后爸爸就在舞台上...他上台之前 And there's my step-dad on the stage... Before he went on stage,
我想拍张观众的照片 'cause I wanted to take a picture of the audience,
因为真的没人会相信的 since nobody's gonna believe this.
必须记住 这个人 You must remember, this guy,
就好比大家看到猫王复活了 it's like seeing someone like Elvis come back from the dead.
观众仍然不敢相信 People in the audience still don't believe it.
他们已经到了演唱会现场了 They're standing there. They're at the concert.
付了票钱 They've paid their money.
他们仍旧不相信 They still don't believe that Rodriguez
罗德里格兹会真的出现在那个舞台上 is actually gonna walk on that stage.
1998年3月6日
准备好了吗 Are you ready?
请欢迎... Please welcome...
罗德里格兹 Rodriguez!
《我在想》 罗德里格兹 I Wonder by Rodriguez
就好像 他根本不需要表演 It was almost as if he didn't even have to play.
他们见到他已经非常开心 They were just happy to see him.
所以 那时候 So, for a time,
我想他们是一直很想见面的 I think they wanted to meet.
就像个同学会 It was a reunion.
是一次完完全全不同的经历 It was something completely different.
我肯定 对每个在场的人都是这样 It was for everybody there, I'm sure,
他们所去过的最令人兴奋的演唱会 the most exciting concert they'd ever been to.
因为它是独一无二的 Because it was unique.
我们从没见过罗德里格兹本人 We'd never seen Rodriguez.
你所听到的 And all you heard
就是贝斯手在弹... was the bass player just playing...
然后罗德里格兹走了出来 And Rodriguez wandered out
来到台前 to the front of the stage
然后贝斯手 and the bass player
就停了下来 actually just stopped playing.
过了好一阵子 And it took a while.
有5到10分钟时间 There was about five or ten minutes
都是人们对他呼喊 尖叫 of just people screaming at him.
谢谢你们让我活着 Thanks for keeping me alive.
我在想 I wonder
你有过多少对象 How many times you've been had
我在想 And I wonder
又有多少黄掉了 How many plans have gone bad
我在想 你上过多少次床 I wonder how many times you had sex
我还在想 And I wonder
你知不知道下一个会是谁 Do you know who'll be next?
我在想 I wonder
一直在想 Wonder I do
我想 I think to go
他从一个流浪者 from being the outcast
变成了他真正的样子 to being, uh, who he really was.
因为他又找回了自己...过去的样子 Because it was as though it was him again... and that was who he was,
舞台上的音乐人 为歌迷演唱 a musician on stage, playing for his fans.
《忘了吧》 罗德里格兹 Forget It by Rodriguez
我们没能在一起 但请别怀疑我的感情 It didn't work out But don't ever doubt how I felt
对你的感情 About you
但谢谢你的时间 But than ks for your time
我以为他会感到非常困惑 I thought I would see him being bewildered
因为大家都盯着他看 at all these people staring up at him.
而恰恰相反 我看到的都是安宁 I saw the opposite. I saw this absolute tranquility.
他的脸上 都是宁静 There was absolute serenity on his face. Total.
就像他终于到达了那个地方 It's like he had arrived at that thing, at that place
他一生都在寻找的地方 he'd tried to find his whole life.
"家"在于你是否认同它 Home is acceptance.
这个人 住在地球的另一边 完全不同的地方 Here's a guy who'd lived somewhere else, on the other side of the earth,
但却像是 他在这里找到了家 and it was almost as if he had found his home.
我看了看周围的人群 And I looked around at all these people
想"这真是一辈子一次的体验" and I thought, "This is a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
"永远不会再发生第二次了" "This is never going to happen again."
这不就是命运吗 Well, isn't this all our great fate?
你幻想着自己能有一天 Your dreams of yourself, the higher forms of yourself is that one day
才华得到赏识 you will be recognised and that your talents and everything else,
让世界都看到你 will suddenly become visible to the world.
我是说 我们的大多数人这一辈子 I mean, most of us die without coming anywhere close
都未曾接近过这种传奇 to that sort of magic.
我试着跟他聊聊这些 I tried to get him to talk about that
在采访他的时候 when I interviewed him,
问他是否感到奇怪 about how strange it was,
我没有得到任何回答 and I got absolutely nothing back.
什么都没有 Absolutely nothing back.
我也不知道 And I couldn't tell whether
他是太害羞了 he was just like son' of cripplingly shy
还是 or whether I was
我没有问对问题 asking the wrong questions
或者是出现了语言障碍了 or there was a language barrier
他只是... or whatever. He just...
或许这也没问题 因为他也保留了自己的神秘感 Maybe that was OK as well because he preserved his mystery.
访谈结束后我说 I walked away from that interview saying,
"这一切都太奇怪了 甚至不真实" "This is all too strange to be true."
太奇怪了 太不真实了 It remains too strange to be true.
"这就是所谓的" "These are the days
"奇迹吧" "of miracles and wonder."
1998年 罗德里格兹在南非举办了6场演唱会 全部销售一空
噢 观众太棒了 Oh, they were so sweet.
我都不敢相信 I didn't believe it.
我现在仍旧不相信 但... And I still don't, but the thing is...
我站在台上 看到五千张椅子摆好 So when I went on stage 5,000 seats all set up,
白色的椅子 white seats, and the thing is...
我说"这真是..." And I said, "This is..."
我在表演的时候 So when I played a show,
他们都从椅子上站起来 冲到台前 they jumped out of their seats and rushed the stage.
南非让我感觉自己比王子还受欢迎 South Africa made me feel like more than a prince.
后来签名 也有两个多小时 And then signing the autographs for, like, a couple of hours.
人们排着队拿着吉他等他签名 I mean, just the line of people bringing their guitars to be signed,
拿着他们的CD... bringing their CDs and...
最奇特的是我看到 The most amazing thing I'd seen
有人身上有《冷事实》的纹身 was the man with his tattoo of the Cold Fact.
他是个罗德里格兹的模仿者 这更是点燃了气氛 He was a Rodriguez impersonator. That just stoked my fire.
我想"天哪 这一切都太疯狂了" I was like, "Man, that is just too crazy."
这里我要向罗德里格兹展示 I have with me here, presented to Rodriguez
《冷事实》的销售记录 for sales of the album Cold Fact.
记得一定要告诉美国人啊 Now just tell the States that, OK, will you?
美国歌手罗德里格兹 确实还活着并且看上去很好 American singer Rodriguez is certainly alive and well
今晚他与我们一起做节目 欢迎 and with us in the Front Row tonight. Welcome.
谢谢你 你好 Very kind. How are you?
我听到各种关于你"死亡"的传言 I've heard some really riveting tales about your "death."
有人说你在台上给自己浇汽油 I mean, they range from you pouring petrol all over yourself on stage
还有人说你在监狱服药过量自杀 and committing suicide to taking a drug overdose and dying in prison.
是啊 那真是一个美丽的梦 Yeah, it was a beautiful, beautiful dream
梦做完 就要回家了 and then you gotta go back.
爸爸说他有两个人生 My dad said he's got two lives.
就像马车变成南瓜车一样... The carriage turns into the pumpkin bus or something. It's like...
底特律的人们都相信你们吗 Did people in Detroit believe you
在你们回来之后告诉他们南非的事 when you came back and told them what had happened?
底特律的人们需要这样的好消息 You know, people in Detroit need to hear something good.
我不知道他们信了多少 I'm not sure how much of it they believed
因为这个故事实在太宏伟了 because it is a grandiose story.
听上去就像是编的 It sounds like something you would make up
像在吹嘘一个梦境 if you were bragging on some dream or something.
他当时真的很出名 He was really quite famous.
前一秒他还在拆棚子 He'd be, you know, tearing down this old shack
清除污垢和灰尘 or he'd be sweeping up filth or dirt
有一天他告诉我这些 我真的不相信 and he started to show me one day, and I didn't believe him,
他的专辑啊 还有它卖得多么好 about the album and how it got to be so popular.
有人带去一张盗版碟 Somebody had a bootleg copy of this thing
然后就迅速传播开了... and it spread around and everyone...
变得如此受欢迎 人们可以背下歌词 It got to be so popular that children could recite it
跟着歌一字不差地唱 每首歌 and sing the song word for word... all of the songs word for word.
我都从来没听过这张专辑 就问"能给我一张听听吗" And I had never heard of the album and I said, "Can you get me an album?"
他自己手上甚至都没有 And he couldn't even get me one.
你看这件事就是这么含糊 I mean, that's how obscure of a thing it was.
但他有那么多照片 巨大的人群 But he had all these photos and stuff, with these giant crowds,
两万人啊 就像伍德斯托克音乐节了 20,000 people, like Woodstock or something.
我说"你开玩笑吧 那是你" Like, "Are you kidding me? That's you?"
我以为照片是PS的 反正不相信他 I thought it was Photoshopped or something. I didn't believe him.
但如此多的观众 他还十分平静 But he had all these giant crowds and he was quite content
照样回来帮别人清理草坪 to just go and sweep up people's lawns
继续从事体力劳动 他仍然这样 or clean up and do manual labor. He stayed.
他的生活非常 非常低调 He lives a very, very, very modest life.
绝对的 Definitely.
他完全没有变得有名 There's definitely no excess,
仍旧辛劳工作 维持生活 and he definitely still works hard in order to make ends meet.
这样说来 他的生活也没有变得多精彩 And there's no glamour to his life in that sense.
但他现在应该很有钱了吧 But he must be a rich man today?
没有 No.
其他方面或许丰富 但物质方面不是 Rich in a lot of things but perhaps not material things.
我猜他永远不会变得有钱吧 I guess it just never got to that.
但他卖出了好几十万张专辑 But he's sold hundreds of thousands of records
在南非 in South Africa.
是的 Well, yes.
我想应该很多是盗版吧 But I believe there's a great deal of perhaps bootlegging,
侵权行为 之类的吧 piracy, such like that. Perhaps...
或许他让别的人变得有钱了 Perhaps other people are rich.
《我要逃离》 罗德里格兹 I'll Slip Away by Rodriguez
来自罗德里格兹第三张未完成的专辑
我已忘记拒绝我的那个女孩 And I forget about the girl that said no
会告诉你我想要什么 想去哪里 Then I'll tell who I want where to go
我已忘记你的谎言和骗局 And I'll forget about your lies and deceit
还有你小心翼翼的尝试 And your attempts to be so discreet
或许就是今天 Maybe today Yeah
我将逃离 I'll slip away
你可以留着你成功的印记 And you can keep your symbols of success
我会追寻自己的幸福 Then I'll pursue my own happiness
你可以维持自己的生活节奏 And you can keep your clocks and routines
当我回想起那个晚上 You know, when I think about that night
我跟伊娃通电话的那个晚上 when I spoke to Eva on the telephone,
我们都完全想象不到 we could not have imagined
接下来的生活会发生怎样翻天覆地的变化 how much our lives were gonna change
在打完那个电话以后 after that phone call.
伊娃跟罗德里格兹一起参与了巡回 Eva came on tour with Rodriguez
主办方给他们安排了一个保镖 and the organizers arranged a chaperone bodyguard
带他们到处看看 然后他和伊娃相爱了 to drive them around and they fell in love.
现在还有了一个孩子 And they have a child.
罗德里格兹有了一个南非外孙了 So Rodriguez has a South African grandson, a South African grandchild.
对我来说 我曾经是约翰内斯堡的珠宝商 For me, I used to be a jeweler in Johannesburg.
现在我来到了开普敦 还有了自己的音乐店 I now live in Cape Town and have a music store.
我们的生活有了很多改变 Things changed so much for us.
但除了一个人以外 那就是罗德里格兹 But, except for one person, and that's Rodriguez.
对他来说 一切都未曾改变 For him, nothing has changed.
过去的生活 就是现在的生活 The life that he was living is still the life that he's living now.
他告诉我们的是 你可以有自己的选择 What he's demonstrated very clearly is that you have a choice.
他承受着所有的煎熬和痛苦 He took all that torment, all that agony,
所有的困扰和疑惑 all that confusion and pain,
把这些痛苦转变成了美好的事物 and he transformed it into something beautiful.
他就像一只蚕 He's like the silk worm, you know?
有了这些原料 对它们进行加工改变 You take this raw material and you transform it.
然后得到以前没有的东西 And you come out with something that wasn't there before.
那些美好 Something beautiful.
超然的 永恒的东西 Something perhaps transcendent. Something perhaps eternal.
他做了这些 Insofar as he does that,
代表着一种人类的精神 告诉你什么是可能性 I think he's representative of the human spirit, of what's possible.
你可以有自己的选择"这就是我的选择" That you have a choice. "And this has been my choice,
"给你带来《小糖人》" "to give you Sugar Man."
你做到了吗 问问自己吧 Now, have you done that? Ask yourself.
《你的苦恼》 罗德里格兹 Crucify Your Mind by Rodriguez
到底他是个猎人还是戏子 Was it a huntsman or a player
让你如此付出 That made you pay the cost
他倒轻轻松松 That now assumes relaxed positions
你却一无所有 And prostitutes your loss?
你是否被自己的欲望折磨 Were you tortured by your own thirst
自己寻找的那些欢愉 In those pleasures that you seek
一会儿是好奇 That made you Tom the Curious
一会儿是脆弱 That makes you James the Weak?
你说你还有事情忙 But you claim you've got something going
罗德里格兹后来曾四度回到南非 开了超过30场演唱会
你说是特别的事 Something you call unique
但我看到你自怨自艾 But I've seen your self-pity showing
他把演唱会的大部分收入都给了自己的家人和朋友
如你脸颊滑过的泪水 As the tears roll down your cheeks
罗德里格兹仍旧住在底特律市区 一幢他已经住了40年的房子里
很快你就会知道我要离开你 Soon you know I'll leave you
我再也不会回头 And I'll never look behind
因为我生来就是这样 Cos I was born for the purpose
让你苦恼 That crucifies your mind
说服你的镜子吧 So con, convince your mirror
就像以前一样 As you've always done before
赋予影子意义 Giving substance to shadows
更多的意义 Giving substance ever more
你以为自己还有可给予的 And you assume you got something to offer
新的秘密 Secrets shiny and new
但有多少是在重复 But how much of you is repetition
你对他说过的话 That you didn't whisper to him too
《小糖人》 Sugar Man by Rodriguez
小糖人 请快一点 Sugar Man, won't you hurry?
因为我已十分疲惫 Cos I'm tired of these scenes
给你这枚蓝色硬币 请给我带来 For a blue coin, won't you bring back
五彩斑斓的梦境 All those colours to my dreams?
你驶来银色魔法船 Silver magic ships, you carry
我们跳跃着 喝汽水 还有甜美的玛丽珍 Jumpers, coke, sweet Mary Jane
小糖人 遇到了不真心的朋友 Sugar man met a false friend
在孤独的尘土飞扬的路 On a lonely dusty road
找到它时 我已失去我的心 Lost my heart when I found it
变得像炭一样黑 It had turned to dead black coal
你驶来银色魔法船 Silver magic ships, you carry
跳跃着 喝汽水 还有甜美的玛丽珍 Jumpers, coke, sweet Mary Jane
小糖人 你就是答案 Sugar man, you're the answer
让所有问题都消失 That makes my questions disappear
小糖人 我累了 Sugar man, cos I'm weary
那些我听说的游戏 Of those double games I hear
小糖人 Sugar Man