听译maysweetiechen
2006年，在拍摄了一部关于伊拉克战争的电影后我被列入了一份\n秘密监视名单,在接下来的几年时间里我在美国边境多次遭到拘留审问
{\fade(255,0,255,0,1000,1300,10000)我的下一步电影是关于关塔那摩监狱和反恐战争
{\fade(255,0,255,0,1000,5000,9000)这部电影是关于911之后的美国三部曲中的第三部
Laura Laura
at this stage I can offer nothing more than my word 眼下我能给你的只有几句话
I am a senior government employee in the intelligence community 我是政府情报机构的高级雇员
I hope you understand that contacting you is an extremely high risk 希望你能明白我现在联系你风险非常大
and you’re willing to agree to the following precautions before I share more 在我透露更多消息之前你必须同意做好以下安全防御措施
This will not be a waste of your time 绝对不会浪费你的时间
The following sounds complex 以下步骤听起来比较复杂
but it should only take minutes to complete for someone technical 但对一个懂点技术的人来说只要几分钟就能完成
I would like to confirm out of the email that the keys we exchange 在邮件中我向你保证我们之间的密匙交换
will not be intercepted in your place by your surveillance 不会被监视你的人所拦截
Please confirm that no one has ever had a copy of your private key and it uses a strong passphrase 假设你的敌人有每秒一百万兆次的计算推测能力
assume your adversary is capable of one trillion guesses per second 请确保没有其他人拥有你私人密匙的副本并且使用强效口令
If the device used to install the private key and enter your passphrase on has been hacked 如果用来下载储存私人密匙和输入口令的装置被黑客入侵
It is trivial to decrypt your communications 那么你就不需要去解开加密的通讯了
Understand that the both steps are not bulletproof 你要明白即使做到这两步也不能完全保证我们的安全
and they are intended only to give us breathing room 这仅仅是为了给我们一点喘息的空间
In the end if you publish the source material I’ll likely be immediately implicated 最后，如果你公布了这份原始资料，那么我会立即被牵连
This must not turn you from the least information I will provide 但不要因为这个原因就不公布我接下来要提供的文件
Thank you and be careful 非常感谢，保重
Citizen Four 四号公民
\n* Snowden 和 Laura 秘密通讯时用的假名
巴西，里约热内卢
… has surveillance means that there are facts of all us will like to... …具有的监视系统意味着我们将
...take away the surveillance... ...取消监视...
There are no facts that the government is manufacturing… 目前没有证据表明政府正在制造…
That’s alright, and this is all back into an independent record 是的，这些都在一份独立记录中有说明
To me, this goes to the question of 对我来说，目前问题是
independently verifying what the government is doing 要对政府行为进行独立调查
That’s why I keep going back… 这就是为什么我一直…
All with David, after CBS news… 现在是David带来的CBS新闻...
Hey, can you hear me? 嘿，能听到我说话吗？
I am here David, how are you? 我在这，大卫，你好
Glenn Greenwald-2011年为salon网报道
well, I’ll just point, start by pointing to 我想说的是
Barack Obama himself said about those questions 在2007年12年
when he was running for the office 奥巴马在竞选总统时
that he now occupies in December of 2007 曾经对这些问题发表过看法
He said quote 他称
“the president does not have the power under the constitution 如果不是为了停止对国家迫在眉睫的威胁
to unilaterally authorize military attack 在宪法下
in a situation that does not involve 总统是没有权利单方面
stopping an actual imminent threat to the nation” 授权军事袭击的
So by Obama’s own words 所以按照奥巴马的话来说
the president does not have the power 根据宪法
that he’s now exercising under the constitution 他目前行使的权力是非法的
And as far as why it matters 为什么这件事这么重要呢
in August 1st 2007 when he laid out his reasons why he was running for office 因为在2007年8月1日，他解释了自己竞选总统的原因
why he thought it was so important to change the way we were doing things 以及为什么我们要改变目前的行事方式
He said quote “no more ignoring the law when it’s inconvenient 他称，不能行事不便就忽视法律
that is not who we are 这不是原来的我们
We will again set an example for the world 我们要再一次为世界树立榜样
that law’s not subjected to the whims of stubborn rulers 向他们证明法律是不会受顽固的统治者所摆布的
So do all the presidents just simply start wars on their own without any… 所以现在总统就是自己发起战争，无视…
2012年12月一位匿名人士联系到Glenn Greenwald，但因为建立不了加密通讯\n所以他们的联系就中断了
一个月之后，我开始收到许多匿名的加密邮件
you asked why I picked you 你问我为什么选择了你
I didn’t, you did 但其实不是我选择了你，而是你自己
2013年1月的邮件
The surveillance you’ve experienced means you’ve been “selected” 现在你被监视过，这意味着你被“选中”了
A term which will mean more to you 因为你了解现代通信情报系统是怎么工作的
as you learn about how the modern SIGINT system works 这个词对你意味着跟多
For now, know that every border you cross, every purchase you make 从现在开始，你越过的每个边境，买的每件东西
every call you dial 打的每通电话
Every cell phone tower you pass, friend you keep 经过的每座手机信号发射塔，交的朋友
article you write, site you visit 写的篇文章，去的地方
subject line you type and packet you route 在标题栏里打的每个字，发送的每个数据包
is in the hands of a system whose reach is unlimited 都在一个系统的掌握之中， 它的覆盖范围是无限的
but whose safeguards are not 但保护措施却是有限的
Your victimization by the NSA system means NSA选择欺骗你
you are well aware of the threat 这意味着你很清楚不受限制的秘密政策
that unrestricted secret police pose for democracies 会对民主带来怎样的威胁
This is a story few but you can tell 这个故事只有少数人能说，你就是其中之一
为了防止我的电影胶片在美国边境被没收，我搬到了柏林 当收到第一封邮件的时候，我加强了安全措施
William Binney是MSA一名充满传奇色彩的解密数学家, 在冷战期间，他分析过核威胁 在九十年代，他将工作重点转移到互联网并拓展了大规模数据分析方法
Thank you for inviting me here 非常感谢能邀请我来这里
and to give me the opportunity to, uh, express my story 并给我这次机会来说说自己的故事
Let me give you some of my background 让我先在说说自己的背景吧
I spend about four years in military 我在军队里呆了4年
and then I went to NSA, directly, so 然后直接去了美国国家安全局
So I ended up with about 37 years of service combined 所以我在政府机构总共工作了37年
Most of that was a lot of fun 大部分的工作都很有趣，
I tell you it was really a lot of fun breaking these puzzles 解谜是非常有意思的一件事
you know, solving problems, things like that 还有其他解决问题之类的
So and that’s really what I did, it was fun for me 所以这就是我所做的工作， 兴趣所在
I started working with data 我开始接受有关数据的工作
looking at data and data systems, how you do that 查看数据和数据系统以及怎样操作
I used to develop this concept of analysis 我发明了一种分析概念
that you could lay it out in such a way 就是你可以把数据进行排列
Willliam Bineey-HOPE会议
that it could be coded and executed electronically 然后对它进行编码并执行程序
meaning you could automate analysis, ok 意思就是你可以对数据进行自动化分析
And it has to do with metadata and using metadata to relationships 这个概念和元数据有关，用元数据建立联系
So that was whole, that was my whole theme there in NSA 所以这就是我在NSA的工作重心
that was, eventually that’s what I ended up to 也是我的成果
I was the only one there doing it by the way 顺便说一下，在NSA做这个的只有我一个人
So anyway 911 happened 然后911发生了
And it must have been right after a few days 在这件事发生后的几天
no more than a week after 911 肯定不超过一个礼拜
they decided to began actively spying on everyone in this country 他们就决定对美国国内每个人都进行监视
and they wanna that, that part of our program to run all the spying, alright 他们想让我们组的部分项目用来进行监视活动
So that’s, that’s exactly what they did 他们还真的这么做了
And then they started to take telecom data and expanded after that 后来他们就开始获取电信记录，之后又扩展到其他信息
So, I mean the one I knew was AT&T 就我知道的公司有AT&T
and that one provided 320 million records everyday 他们每天都会提供3亿2千万条记录
That program was reauthorized every 45 days by the 这个项目每45天会重新授权一次
what I called the Yes Committee 授权组织我叫它Yes委员会
Which was Hayden, Tenet and the DOJ 成员有Hayden，Tenet和DOJ
Michael Hayden 时任NSA局长 George Tenet 时任CIA局长 DOJ美司法部
The program was called Stellar Wind 项目名叫Stellar Wind
So first I went to the house intelligence committee 一开始我去了众议院情报委员会
then the staff member that I personally knew there and 那里有个和我认识的工作人员
she then went to the chairman of that committee 她然后去找了委员会的主席
Nancy Pelosi was the minority Rep Nancy Pelosi当时还是少数派领袖
They were all briefed into that program at the time by the way 那个时候该项目的情况都要向这些人报告
And all the other programs were all going on 其他正在进行的项目中
including all these CIA programs 也包括中央情报局的所有项目
I wasn’t alone in this 我并不是单枪匹马
there were four others out there in NSA 和我一起在NSA的还有其他四个人
and we were all trying to work internally in the government for over these years 这么多年来我们一直在政府内部进行工作
trying to get them to cover around being constitutionally acceptable 试图使这些项目合乎宪法
and take it into the courts 然后带去法院审查
you have the court oversight of it too 法院的监督当然也是必不可少的
so we, we naively kept thinking that could 所以我们天真地想一切都能顺风顺水
that could happen and it never did 但是希望落空了
but anyway after that and all the stuff we were doing 然而在我们做了这些工作之后
they decided to raid us, to keep us quiet 他们决定对我们进行搜查，让我们闭嘴
threaten us, you know 甚至还威胁我们
so we were raided simultaneously, four of us 我们四个人的搜查是同时进行
in my case they came in with guns drawn 在搜查我的时候他们是拿着枪来的
I don’t know why they did that, but they did 我不知道他们为什么那么做，但事实就是这样
NSA在犹他州布拉夫代尔建立了世界上最大的拦截通讯信息储存站 从2011年该地进行建设起，我就开始对该地区进行拍摄
Laura Laura
I will answer what I’ve remembered of your questions as best as I can 我很尽量回答我记得的问题
forgive the lack of structure 抱歉，可能不是很有条理
I am not a writer 毕竟我不是一个作家
I have to draft this in a great hurry 这些都是我匆匆忙忙赶出来的
2013年2月的邮件
What you know is Stellar Wind has grown 你知道的Stellar Wind项目已经越来越复杂了
SSO the expended special source operation 扩展后的特殊消息行动组SSO
that took over Stellar Wind’s share of the pine 已经接管了Stellar Wind
has spread all over the world 该行动组已经遍及全球
to practically include comprehensive coverage of the United States 尤其是对美国进行了全面的监视
Disturbingly, the amount of US communication 让人担忧的是遭到NSA拦截的
ingested by NSA is still increasing 美国通讯数量仍在增多
Publicly, we complain that things are going dark 政府公开抱怨事情越来越糟糕
but in fact our accesses are improving 但实际上他们能监视的范围已经越来越广了
The truth is that the NSA has never in his history 即使在历史上
collected more than it does now NSA也从未搜集过那么多的信息
I know the location of most domestic interception points 我知道国内有多个拦截点
and the largest telecommunication companies in the US 以及大规模的电信公司
are betraying the trust of their customers 背弃了顾客对他们的信任
which I can prove 这点我可以证明
We are building the greatest weapon for oppression in the history of man 我们正在建造人类历史上最强大的镇压武器
Yet its’ directors are accepting themselves through accountability 而它的指挥者却以责任为其正名
NSA director Keith Alexander lied to Congress NSA局长Keith Alexander欺骗了国会
but which I can prove 这点我可以证明
Billions of US communications are being intercepted 上百万条美国通讯正在被拦截
And gathering evidence of wrongdoing 收集这一切不法行为的证据
I focus on the wrongdoing of the American people 我主要集中在美国民众所作的错事上
But believe me when I say that the surveillance we live under 但是请相信我，我们所受的监视
is the highest privilege compared to how we treat the rest of the world 和其他国家受到的美国方面的监视相比已经算是优待了
This I can also prove 这点我也可以证明
On cyber operations, the government’s public position is that 在网络运行方面，政府的公开立场是
we still lack a policy framework 我们仍然缺少一个政策框架
That, too, is a lie 这也是个谎言
There’s a detailed policy framework 事实上他们有非常详尽的政策框架
a kind of marshal law for cyber operations created by the White House 是由白宫制定的网络行动戒严法
It’s called presidential policy director of 20 名为20号总统政策指导
and was finalized at the end of last year 并在去年最终确定
This I can also prove 这点我也能证明
I appreciate that you concerned for my safety 非常感谢你能这么关心我的安全
But I already know how this will end for me 但是我非常清楚我最终将面临怎样的结局
and I accept the risk 我也自愿承担风险
If I have luck and you’re careful 如果我够幸运，你也够小心
you will have everything you need 那么你会得到一切你想要的
I ask only that you ensure this information makes it home to the American public 我只要求你能确保这些消息最后能够公之于众
Does the NSA routinely intercept American citizens’ emails? NSA是否常规性地拦截了美国公民的邮件？
No 没有
2012年美国NSA局长Keith Alexander国会听证会
Does the NSA intercept American’s cell phone conversations? NSA是否拦截了美国公民的电话谈话内容？
No 没有
Google searches? 谷歌搜索记录？
No 没有
Text messages? 短信记录？
No 没有
Amazoncom orders? 亚马逊购物记录？
No 没有
Bank records? 银行记录？
No 没有
What your judicial consent is required NSA需要你在哪方面的同意
for NSA to intercept communications and information 才能拦截
involving American citizens? 美国公民通讯和信息
Within the United States that would be the FBI lead 在美国境内是由FBI负责
If it was a foreign actor in the United States 如果对象是在美国的外国演员
The FBI would still have to lead 也是由FBI负责
and could work that with NSA 但是可以和NSA
or other intelligence agencies as authorized 或其他授权情报机构进行合作
But to conduct that kind of, of collection in Unite States 但是要在美国进行这种规模的信息搜集
we have to go through a court order 我们必须要得到法院的许可
And court would have to authorized it 由法院进行授权
We are not authorized to do it, nor do we do it 我们并没有得到授权，我们也没有进行过信息搜集
All rise 全体起立
The United States court of appeal for the Ninth Circuit is now in session 美国第九巡回上诉法庭现在开庭
2006年，技术人员Mark Klein 透露NSA窃听位于旧金山的AT&T公司网络，顾客因此起诉 \n多年以后，该案仍处在诉讼的初步阶段
Please be seated 大家请坐
Morning and welcome to the Ninth Circuit 早上好，欢迎来到第九巡回法庭
The first case for argument is Jewel verses National Security Agency 今天开庭审理的第一个案子是Jewel起诉NSA
You may proceed 你可以开始了
May it please the court 法官您好
Kevin Bankston for Carolyn Jewel and her fellow plaintiffs in Jewel VS NSA 我是Carolyn Jewel 以及其他原告的代理人Kevin Bankston
Your honors, plaintiffs have specifically alleged that 法官阁下，我的原告当事人已经明确指出
their own communications and communications’ records 政府拥有
have been acquired by the government 其通讯内容记录
But the district court found that 但地方法院认为
we have failed to allege facts that 我方无法提供证据
differentiate the injury of our plaintiffs have suffered 对我当事人所受的损害
from the injury suffered by every other AT&T user 和AT&T公司其他用户所受到的损害进行区分
whose communications and records have been acquired by the government 政府同样也拿到了这些用户的通讯记录
Basically concluding that 由此基本可以肯定
so long as everyone is being surveiled 只要人人都被监视
no one has standing to sue 那么没有人有起诉资格
However to deny the standing of a person who’s injured 一个人受到损失但没有起诉资格
simply because many others are also injured 仅仅因为其他人也受到了同样的损失
would mean that the most injurious and wise of the government’s actions 这意味政府决策不管好坏
can be questioned by nobody 没有人能够质疑
do you have anything concrete other than fact 你能提供具体的证据
a specific communication of your client was intercepted 来证明你的当事人通讯遭到拦截吗
we have evidence that all the communications passing between AT&T’s network 我们有证据证明所有位于北卡罗来纳的AT&T网络
and other networks in their North California facility have been intercepted 和其他网络中进行的通讯活动都受到过拦截
so that would necessarily include the internet communications 那么其中必定包括我来自北卡罗来纳州的当事人
of our Northern California plaintiffs, so 所进行的网络通讯活动
ok, thank you 好的，谢谢
thank you your honors 谢谢，法官阁下
may it please the court 法官您好
Thomas Byron from the department of justice here 我是来自司法部的Thomas Byron
on behalf of the government defendants 我代表政府被告
we think this litigation need not be resolved in federal court 我们认为这起诉讼不需要在联邦法院进行审理
in light of the oversight of the political branches, both legislative and executive, 鉴于立法部门和行政部门这两大部门
which provides a better opportunity for oversight and resolution of the concerns 能够提供更好的监督机会和办法
raised concerning nationwide policies of alleged surveillance 来解决这些案件中所谓的
uh, in these, in these complains 全国范围内的监视政策所带来的问题
even the EFF’s revealed that 就算EFF披露越来越多原告
more and more of the plaintiffs 他们的邮件和电话记录被拦截
had emails or telephone conversations intercepted 和保护国家安全
that had nothing to do with the national security 没有一点关系？
Your honor, I don’t know that anyone necessarily would have standing 法官阁下，在这两起案件中我认为没有任何人
to raise the particular claims at issue in these two cases 有诉讼资格起诉我方当事人
we think, instead 我们认为
that the kinds of claims at issue here against these defendants 针对我方当事人提出的诉讼
are those are better suit to resolution before the 能在上述政府部门
the representative branches of our government 得到更好的解决
what would the judiciary have if your approach’s adopted? 采用你的建议对司法部有什么益处
judge Ferguson I think that 弗格森法官，我认为…
I mean we just, just get out of the way, is that it? 你的意思是让我们法院不要进行干涉，对吗？
Well, judge Ferguson I think that there’s narrow category of subset of cases 弗格森法官， 我认为针对一些隶属于小范畴的案例
in which it maybe appropriate to step aside for that narrow category of cases 法庭不做干涉是比较合适的做法
but the judiciary places a rule 但是司法部是有法令法规的
to be sure, judge Ferguson 那是当然，弗格森法官
our system 这是我们的系统
yes, your honor And we don’t mean to diminish that 是的，法官阁下，但我们的意思不是说削弱法院
you are here asking us to abdicate that rule? 你现在是在要求我们废除我们的法令法规吗？
no, your honor 不是这样的，法官阁下
uh, but it is the question of this court discussion 是否要采取这种做法
whether to reach that issue 还是要取决于法院的讨论结果
we do think that, there is simply no way for the litigation to proceed 我方认为要进行该诉讼程序
without risk of divulging those very questions of privileged information that would cause 必然会有泄露机密信息的风险
as the director of national intelligence has explained 就像NSA局长说过的
exceptionally grave damage to national security of disclose 这势必会严重损害国家安全信息的披露
纽约市
thanks for having me 非常感谢邀请我
if anybody has any question, like I said, just, basically just raising hand 如果有什么问题，就像我说过的，举个手就可以
and I’ll try to call you as soon as I possibly can 我会尽快的叫你的
So, who here actually feels like they are under surveillance, pretty regularly? 在场有多少人老是觉得自己被监视的？
Jacob Appelbaum 占领华尔街安全培训
Everyone in sight is occupied 好像每个人都经历过
How many people here have been arrested and have their, have record dated 在场有多少人曾经被逮捕，登记在案
and have their phone taken into the backroom? 手机被拿走带到密室的？
How many people here have their retinal scanned 有多少人做过视网膜扫描的？
Wow 哇
So, you guys are actually in a sense that canary in the coal mine, right? 所以现在大家都感觉自己是煤矿里的金丝雀，对吗？
金丝雀很敏感，矿工会带金丝雀探测工作环境的气体质量
Because incentives are all lied up against you 因为这些东西都与你们为敌
Able to see you on the subway, link your metro card to your debt card, right? 你在坐地铁的时候都是可以把地铁卡连到你的银行卡上的，对吧
And get a refill 然后好进行充值
This is a concept which is key to everything we talk about today 这是一个对我们今天的讲座内容至关重要的概念
That is called linkability 这个概念被称为联结性
Take one piece of data, and link it to another piece of data 用一个数据把它连接到另一个数据上
So for example 举个例子
if you have your metro card and you have your debt card 你现在手头上有地铁卡和银行卡
You have those things you could draw a line between them, right? 这两个是完全没有关联的，对吧
So that’s like not a scary thing 听起来不怎么可怕
except your bank card is tied to everything else 但是现在你的银行卡
that you do during the day 可以和你在这一天当中所做的任何事进行联结
So now they know where you are going, 所以现在他们知道了你要去哪里
when you make purchases 什么时候买东西
So when they decide to target you 所以当他们决定要把你作为目标的时候
think that I actually recreate exact steps with a metro card and a credit card alone 记得我刚刚仅仅用地铁卡和银行卡做了一个步骤重现
like literally where you go and what you buy 你去的地方，买的东西
and potentially by linking that data 他们会将这些信息
with other people on the similar travel plans 和有相同记录的人进行联结
they can figure out who you talked to and who you met with 这样他们就可以知道你和谁说过话，见过面
When you then take cell phone data which logs your location 你用有位置记录的手机数据
and you link up purchasing data, metro card data and your debt card 和购物数据，地铁卡数据，银行卡数据连起来
You start to get what you could call metadata in aggregate over a person’s life 总的来说，通过这种方式可以得到一个人一生的元数据
A metadata in aggregate is content 元数据总的来说就是事件内容
it tells a story about you which is made up of facts 用事实记录你的一切
but is not necessarily true 但不一定都是正确的
So, for example just because you are on the corner 举个例子，比如说你正好在那个街角
and all those data points point to it 所有有关犯罪嫌疑人的数据点都指向那个地点
It doesn’t’ mean you commit the crime 但这并不意味着你就是罪犯
So it’s important to know that 所以最重要的事是
if someone has a perception of you having done a thing 要是别人知道你做了什么事
It will now follow you for the rest of your life 那么这个记录会一辈子跟着你
So just keep in mind that what happens to you guys for example 所以要牢记那些在你们身上发生的事情
With Fingerprints, retinal scans and photographs 比如你们做的那些视网膜扫描，被拍的照片
That is what is going to happen to people in the future 当以后的人想要反抗这些改变
when they resist all these changes 想要用受宪法保护的形式
And when they try to protest 进行抗议的时候
in a totally constitutionally protected way 这一切就会发生在他们的身上
This is for you director Clapper 到你了Clapper 局长
2013年国家情报局局长James Clapper参议院听证会
get on the surveillance front 请到前面来
and I hope we can do this in a just yes-or-no answer 我希望我们就用回答是或不是来进行
because eveyone wants to find some times to move on 因为大家都想快点进入下一个阶段
So does NSA collect any type of data at all on millions NSA是否搜集过数百万名
or hundreds of millions of Americans? 或者说是亿万美国人的信息？
No, sir 没有
It does not 没有是吗？
Not wittingly, there are cases where they could in-inadvertently perhaps, uh, collect 不是蓄意的，有些时候可能不经意地搜集了一些信息
but not, not wittingly 但没有蓄意搜集的行为
Alright 好的
在与匿名人士进行了长达数月的通讯后，该匿名人士终于同意见面 我来到纽约等待下一步指令
2013年4月的邮件
The encrypted archive should be available to you within 7 days 你应该在7天之内就能获得加密文档
The key will follow when everything else is done 密匙能长期使用
The material I provide and investigative effort required 我所提供的信息以及必要的调查工作
will be too much for any one person 对任何一个人来说都是一个大工程
I recommend at a very minimum you involve Glenn Greenwald 我建议你至少要找Glenn Greenwald帮忙
I believe you know him 我觉得你应该知道他
The plain text to the payload will include my true name details for the record 记载信息的纯文本包括我的真实姓名和有关记录的细节
Though it would be your decision 至于是否公布我的身份，用何种方式
as to whether or how to declare my involvement 则由你来决定
My personal desire is that you paint the target directly on my back 我个人愿望是你直接说出我就是泄密的人
No one, not even my most trusted confidant 没有人，甚至连我最信任的知己
is aware of my intentions 都不了解我的意图
And it would not be fair for them 因为我而让他们被怀疑
to fall under suspicion for my actions 对他们来说是非常不公平的
You may be the only one who can prevent that 只有你能阻止这件事
and that is by immediately nailing me to the cross 你要让我被钉在十字架上
Rather than trying to protect me as a source 而不是作为线人把我保护起来
On timing regarding meeting up in Hong Kong 至于在香港的会面时间
The first rendezvous attempt will be 10 am local time on Monday 第一次见面时间是当地时间星期一早上十点
We will meet in a hallway outside the restaurant in the Mira Hotel 我们会在的Mira酒店餐厅外面的走道里会面
I will be working on a Rubik’s cube 我会玩一个魔方
So that you can indentify me 这样你就能认出我
Approach me and ask me 接近我
if I know the house of the restaurant 然后问我知不知道餐厅的营业时间
I’ll respond by stating that I am not sure 我会回答我不清楚
and suggest that you try the lounge instead 并建议你到休息室问问
After that I will show you where it is 然后我会给你带路
and at that point we’re good 这样就算接头成功了
You simply need to follow that truly 你只要表现地自然一点就行了
中国，香港
2013年6月3日
星期一
Yes, first positioning 首次定位
I mean, if you want to just sit, any particular what are you gonna be doing 随便坐，自在点
you know, I’m gonna go there, to get a better light 我去那边，这样拍出来光线比较好
几分钟的会面之后，我开始架起摄像机对这次事件进行了8天的拍摄
There are, you know so many, different, enormous stories 你知道这些文件中有很多不同的事可以写
Just that kind standout stories 会是非常好的报道
That even like, you know, certain things like individual documents 就算是有关个人文档的资料
that can be just a dern story 也可以是充满秘密的
I just want to start teasing these stories out 我就想先把这些梳理出来
I ba, I basically woke up this morning 今天早上一醒来
and already started writing stories 我就已经开始写报道了
So, I’m hoping to, you know start publishing 所以我想在接下来一两天内
with them like a day or two days 就把这篇报道发出去
Ok 好的
As long as you’re good with that 只要你觉得没有问题
yeah 好
so, As far as I quote, the stuff we have talked about 我们已经谈论过有些事情
I mean, I’m ,kinda like, customizing it between, you know, stuff that I like to talk to you about 我想和你谈谈文件的事
in term of the documents and the content 有关文件的内容
Laura has a bunch of questions about that as well Laura也有很多问题
Sort of working through documents, getting you taken on a lot of the stuff that 详细说一下这些资料，你因为这些都承受了很多东西
You know, how I’m gonna understand it better 这样我会对这些文件有一个更好的理解
Then also, sort of, You story, right 然后是关于你自身的故事
Like who you are 像是你是谁啊
Yeah 嗯
Why you’ve done that, what you’ve done 你做了什么，你为什么这么做
And I love to do that first 我想先把这部分做了
Ok 好的
In part because you are the only one who can do that 因为你是公开告密第一人
So I would like to get that done, just let’s get that done 所以我想先完成这部分
And also because you know, it might be that you want to do that early 还有个原因是可能你也想先做这部分
It’s necessary we might choose to have that done early 我们有必要早点做这部分
Tell me your thoughts on what you are with that 说说你对这些事情的看法吧
The primary one on that 我这么做主要的原因
I think I’ve expressed a couple of times is 我也说过很多次了
I feel the modern media is a big focus on personalities 就是我觉得现在的媒体都很关注名人
Totally 对
I’m a little concerned that the more we focus on that 我担心我们对名人关心得越多
the more they’re gonna use that as a distraction 就越会被分散注意力
I don’t necessarily want that happen 我不想发生这样的事
which is why I consistently said, you know 所以我一直说
I’m not the story here 我不是故事的中心
Nervous 你太紧张了
That is very good , very cheap then 这支笔买的时候好用又便宜
It looks like the [inaudible] is broke 现在破了
Go ahead 继续吧
But, yeah, anything I can do to help you guys to get this out I’ll do 只要是能帮助你们的事我都会去做
I don’t have any experience with media here, with how this works 对媒体我没有经验
I’m kinda learning as I go 所以我现在是边走边学
So, I’m just wanna get a sense 我想知道的是
of why did you decided to what you’ve done 你为什么要这么做
So, for me it all comes down to state power 对于我来说，归根结底就是国家权力
against people’s ability to meaningfully oppose that power 和人民反抗力量的抗衡
And I’m sitting there everyday 我每天坐在办公室里
getting paid to design methods to amplify that state power 拿工资，扩大国家权力
And I’m realizing that if, you know the policies 然后我意识到
which is, that they are the only things that will strain these states 你知道政策是唯一能够限制国家权力的
We’re changed 如果我们被改变了
There, you couldn’t meaningfully oppose these 那我们就没有办法反抗
I mean you have to be the most incredibly sophisticated tech collector in existence 除非你是超级厉害的技术人员
I mean, I’m not sure there’s anybody, no matter how gifted you are 不管一个人多么厉害
who could oppose all of the offices, all of the right people 多么有能力，设备有多少
even all the mediocre people out there 我认为他都不可能反抗政府机构和手握重权的人
with all of the tools and all the capabilities 甚至是连里面最平庸的人可能也反抗不了
As I saw the promise of the Obama administration 奥巴马政府背弃了所做的承诺
be betrayed and walked away from it 把这一切抛之脑后
In fact, actually advance the things that had been promised 事实上，在实现承诺方面
to be, sort of, curtailed, reined in and dailed back 他们不仅偷工减料，行动迟滞，甚至还食言
It actually got worse 事情变得越来越糟糕
particularly drone strikes which I also learned in NSA we could 尤其是我在NSA得知的无人机
we could watch drone videos 我们可以查看无人机的视频
that’s tops 这是非常机密的
As, as I saw that really harden me to action 这更坚定了我的决心
In real time? 视频是实时的吗？
In real time, yes 对，实时的
A little stream, a lower quality of the video to your desktop 会有一小段画质不高的视频连到你的桌面
Typically, you will be watching surveillance drones supposedly, actually 一般来说是无人监视机
Murder drones really going out there behind somebody 但其实都是一直跟在某个人背后的杀人机
But you have a drone, it’s just following somebody’s house for hours and hours 这些无人机就一直在某个人家附近
You won’t know who it is 但是你不知道那个人是谁
Because, you know, you don’t have the context for that 因为整个命令内容你不知道
But it’s just a page or it’s lists and lists of drone feeds of all these different countries 你收到的文件会是一个或者多个无人机监视不同国家的
on all these different code names 影像视频文件，代号都不同
You can just click on which one you want to see 点击就能查看
Right, but, so if your self interest is to live in a world, 如果你的愿望是住在一个
much, there is a maximum privacy 有高度隐私权的国家
Doing something that could put you into prison 你这样做会让你受牢狱之灾
in which your privacy is completely destroyed 你的隐私还会荡然无存
sort of antithesis of that 几乎是和你的愿望背道而驰
How did you reach the point where that is worthwhile calculation for you? 为什么你觉得这么做值得呢？
I remember what the internet was like before I was being watched 我还记得在被监视之前网络是什么样子的
And there’s never been anything in the history of man is like it 之前从来没有过类似网络的这种东西
I mean, you could, again, you can have children from one part of the world 位于世界一头的孩子们在任何时间，任何地点
having an equal discussion 都可以和专家进行平等的讨论
Where, you know, they were sort of granted, the same respect 讨论什么都行
for their ideas in conversation with experts in the field from another part of the world 而另一头的专家
On any topic, anywhere, anytime, all of the time 也会给予他们尊重
And it was, it was free and unrestrained 这时候的网络完全是自由没有限制的
That we’ve seen the chilling of that, the calling of that, the change of that model 然后我们发现这种模式逐渐发生改变，
towards something which people self-police their own views 人们对自己的言论开始变得非常小心翼翼
And they literally make jokes about ending up on the list 大家都会开玩笑说
if they donate to a political cause 你给什么党派捐款，或者在讨论中说了什么话
Or if they say something in the discussion 有可能就会被列在监视名单上
And, and it’s become an expectation that they’re being watched 都有一个心理预期，我们是在被监视着的
Many people love to talk 有些人说
have mentioned that they’re careful about what they type into search engines 他们对自己在搜索引擎里打的内容都很谨慎
because they know that it’s being recorded 因为他们知道这些都会有记录
The limits, the boundaries of their intellectual exploration 他们的思想都受到了限制
And, I’m, I am more willing to risk imprisonment or any other negative outcome personally 比起让我和其他跟我一样的人
Than I am willing to risk the curtailment of my intellectual freedom 承受思想受到约束的痛苦
And that of those around me who might care for equally as I do for myself 我宁愿我个人承受牢狱之灾或者其他不好的结果
And again, that’s not to say that I’m self sacrificing 不能说我是在自我牺牲
Because it gives me, I feel good in my human experience to know that 因为如果我能为他人利益作出奉献
I can contribute to the good of others 我自己也感到很高兴
星期二
Glenn Greenwald工作的卫报派了一位调查记者Ewen MackAskill前来采访
Could you elaborate on that? 你的说得详细一点吗？
So, I don’t know how much the programs are there 我不知道一共有多少个监视项目
the actual technical opacity I’ve basically talked to you about 基本上的技术难点我都说过了
But there is an infrastructure in place in United States and worldwide 但是在美国和全球其他范围内的某个地方有一个设施
That NSA has built incorporation with other governments as well 是NSA和其他政府合建的
That intercepts basically every digital communication 所有电子通讯
every radio communication 无线电通讯
Every analog communication that has sensors in place to detect 只要是有传感器可以探测到的模拟信号通讯都会被拦截
And with these capabilities 这些设备
Basically the vast majority of 基本上对大部分人类通讯
human and computer-to-computer communications 及计算机对计算机通讯
device-based communication, which sort of inform relationship 设备通讯
between humans are automatically ingested without targeting 只要是进行信息传递的
and that allows individuals to retral actively search your communications 不需要锁定目标就能自动提取通讯内容
based on self sophistication 还可以让其他人通过特定的关键词搜索你的通讯记录
so for example 举个例子
if I want to see the content of your email 比如我想看你的邮件内容
you know, your wife’s phone calls, anything like that 你妻子的电话记录之类的
All I have to do is to use what’s called a “selector” 我要做的是用一个“选择词”
Any kind of thing in the communication’s chain 就是在通讯渠道中
That might uniquely or almost uniquely identify you as an individual 关于你的特殊信息
I’m talking about things like email addresses, IP addresses, phone numbers 比如邮箱，IP地址，电话号码
credit cards even passwords that are unique to you that aren’t used by anyone else 银行卡号，甚至是密码，只要是单单只属于你的信息
I can input those into the system 我都可以输入这个系统
And it will not only go back through the database 这个系统不仅会在现有的数据库中进行搜索
And go have I seen this anywhere in the past 而且还会在过去记录中搜索
It’ll basically put in an additional level scrutiny on it 这个系统还具有额外的
moving into the future 未来搜索模式
That says if this is detected now or anytime in the future 如果我输入的信息在将来某个时候匹配到对象
I want this to go immediately and alert me in real time 就可以立即搜索到目标
that you’re communicating with someone things like that 并报告我你正在和别人进行通讯
So I don’t know who you are 我现在还不知道你是谁
or anything about you 或者关于你的事情
Ok 或者关于你的事情
Uh, I work for Booz Allen Hamilton, the defense contractor 我为国防承包商Booz Allen Hamilton工作
I am sort of on loan to the NSA 我是借调到NSA的
I don’t talk to Booz Allen boss Booz Allen Hamilton的老板不会找我
I don’t get texting from Booz Allen 也不会联系我
It’s all from NSA 我的工作都直接来自NSA
So, I don’t know your name 我还不知道你的名字
Oh, sorry, I, my name is Edward Snowden, I go by Ed 哦，对不起，我叫Edward Snowden，可以叫我Ed
Uh, Edward Joseph Snowden is my full name 全名是Edward Joseph Snowden
S-N-O-W-D-E-N S-N-O-W-D-E-N
Un, where do you from? 你来自哪里？
I’m, originally I was born in North Carolina 我出生在南卡罗来纳州
a small town, Elizabeth City 一个叫Elizabeth City的小镇
There is a Coast guard station there 那里有海岸防卫站
I’m from a military family 我来自一个军人家庭
But I spend most of my time growing up around, for me, in Maryland 但是我是在马里兰州长大的
And your family, what’s the consequence for them 这件事对你的家人有什么后果
This, this actually is what has made it the hardest 让我做出这个决定最困难的就是他们
My family doesn’t know what’s happening 我的家人不知道发生了什么
they, they’re not aware 他们完全不知情
I don’t think I’ll be able to keep the family ties 可能这件事后跟他们
that I’ve had for all my life 就没办法保持家庭联系了
uh, because of the risk of associating them with this 因为和他们联系有风险
And I’ll, I’ll leave, you know, what to publish on this 什么文件该公布，什么不该公布
what not to publish to you guys 都由你们来决定
I trust you’ll be responsible on this 我相信你们会负起这个责任
But basically the closer I stay to my family 如果我靠我的家人太近
the more likely they are to be leaned on, you know 他们越有可能被牵连
So you don’t want me to put them into this? 所以你不想让我们把他们卷进来？
I mean we don’t… 我们不会…
Yeah, we definitely want to do whatever we can 我们会尽一切全力
not to include them or bring them into the mix 不把他们牵扯进来
I-I-I, I won’t 我不会的
I’m sorry 不好意思
Can we just stop for a second 我们可以这把这个停一下
do the document and then we go back to that? 先看看文件再回来讨论这个吗？
What do I need is email address that you were using or 我现在是需要你的邮箱地址还是…
Well, so you can send, what you encrypted 你可以发送加密的文件
you can send for whatever you think is appropriate 或者其他你觉得合适的东西
The main thing is that you have to capsulate all of this 主要就是把要发送的东西加密
in a way that it can’t be decrypted or read 这样在发送的过程中
when it’s in-transit across the network 就不会被别人拦截解密
right 好的
Or on either of the end point 这样在发送接收两端也不会被解开
Ok, I mean just these documents are basically all gonna be public like 这些文件在接下来的48或72小时内
you know, in 48 hours or 72 houses, whatever 都会被公开
Yeah, this is，this is simply you know you want to 你只用
get into the process doing this for everything 开始做就行了
because it seems hard, but it’s not hard 看起来很难，做起来很简单
Ok 好的
This is super easy 真的超级简单
So, just walk me through it and… 你再解释一遍给我听然后…
Ok, show me the actual folder structure where these files are first 先点到那些文件的目录
How many documents are just sitting there? 那里有多少文件
7 7份
I can give you if you want 如果你想要我也可以给你一份
Ok 如果你也要我也可以给你一份
How many documents are we talking about? 我们手上有多少文件？
Because let me get into Wikileaks 像维基解密
technical people set up a system so that 技术人员创立这样一个系统
It will be available for anybody to see 别人都可以看到
and I just wonder if it’s possible to do the same thing 我想是不是我们也可以这样做
That, that would be the ideal end game 这是最理想的结果
But because, uh, because some of these documents are legitimately classified 有些文件的保密虽然是合法的
in ways it could cause harm to people and methods 但这种保密会对民众和行事方式造成危害
And I’m comfortable in my technical ability to protect them 我觉得我的技术能力还是可以保护好这些文件的
I mean you can literally shoot me or torture me 你可以拿枪打我，折磨我
and I could not disclose the password if I wanted to 但是我不会告诉你密码
Uh, you know, I have this sophistication to do that 我有能力做到这些
There are some journalists that I think could do that 有些记者也可以做到
but there are a number of them that couldn’t 但有一些就不行
But the question becomes can an organization actually 现在问题是一个组织是否也能够
control that information in that manner 用这种方式保护这些信息
without risking basically uncontrol this closure 不让它被公开
But I do agree with that 但是我还是同意这个想法的
Honestly, I don’t want to be the person making decisions 实话说，我不想由我来决定
on what should be public or what shouldn’t 哪些能公布，哪些不能
which is why rather than publishing these on my own 所以比起让我自己做决定
or putting them out openly 或者直接全部公开
I’m running them through journalists 我把这些文件交给你们记者
So my bias, you know is my thing 我是有自己的偏见的
Because clearly I have some strongly held views 这样就可以
are moved from that equation 消除我个人观点的影响
The public interest is being represented 用最负责的方式
in a most responsible manner 代表公众的利益
Yeah 对
Actually given, given your sort of, you know, geographic familiarity with UK 你对英国非常熟悉
I’d like to point out that GCHQ has uh, probably 我想说英国政府通信总部的网络拦截计划
the most invasive network intercept program anywhere in the world 可能是世界上最具有入侵性的
Yeah, yeah 嗯
It’s called Tempora, T-E-M-P-O-R-A 这个计划名叫Tempora，T-E-M-P-O-R-A
And it’s the world’s first full-take, they call it 他们叫它世界上第一个信息全揽
that means content in addition to metadata on everything 意思是对一切事物，除了元数据之外的内容记录
Uh, so, this is what I’d like to do just in terms of scheduling 我想做个时间安排
If it’s good with everybody else 看看大家是不是都同意
Are you, you’re feeling you’re done? 你的问题结束了吗
I’m, I’m done 我好了
So, I’m interested go back to get some coze time 我想再有时间多聊聊
And there’s a bunch of documents 有很多文件
that aren’t about this first reference story 跟第一篇报道的内容无关
that I’d like to spend some time with you 我想再多问问你
Sure 好的
You know, kind of going it over 我想对文件仔细地了解一遍
Oh, I’m not going anywhere 我
Do you feel like you’re available 你觉得你有空吗？
You want to check about it first? 你想看看你的日程计划吗？
Let me check my schedule 那我看看我有没有空
It that good for you? You wanna… Laura你有空吗？你想…
it's great 我可以
星期三
Hello 你好
Yes? 什么事
My meal was great, thank you very much 我吃得很好，非常感谢
uh, no, I still have some left there 我还有一些剩
I think I’m gonna be eating it later 我会迟点吃
so you can just leave me alone for now 你不用管我
Ok, great, thank you so much 好的，好的，谢谢你
Have a good one, bye 用餐愉快，再见
Fix that real quick 很快弄好
So, now the phone thing I was always worried about 这个电话我一直很担心
These, all these new VoIP phones 这些网络电话
they have little computers in them 他们都有内置的微型电脑
And you can hot mike these over the network all the time 就算听筒坏了
even when their receiver’s down 你也可以通过网络进行对话
As long as it’s plug in, I can be listening on you 只要电话线插着就可以窃听
Ok 嗯
I haven’t even considered that earlier, but yeah 我以前都没想到，但是
There are so many ways… 反正还是有很多方法…
This could be, everything in here 现在这里的事情
is pretty much gonna be a public record at some point 以后可能都要公布的
We should operate on that 我们应该考虑到这点
Yeah, yeah 对，对
Basically, so do you have your, your machine? 你电脑带了吗？
I do I do 带了，带了
Pop that out 拿出来吧
Do you have an understanding of your commitment 关于报道这个泄密文件的事
when you guys are going to press with the first stories? 你们都知道要干什么了吗
Uh,It’s about 7:30 in the morning in London 明天早上7点30去伦敦
Un-ha, Ok 好的
Let’s see here 让我看一下
Pro Tip let’s not leave the same SD card 小提示 以后千万不要把同一张SD卡
in your laptops forever in the future 长时间留在你的手提电脑上
Did you know this is for store kicking aorund 你知道这是为了你手提电脑的
in your, in your laptop 信息储存着想吗？
Yeah, I mean that was the 我知道，那个东西是…
Ok, ok, just, just make it sure 好的，好的，我只是想确认一下
Ok, yeah 好吧
This is … 这是…
You’ll have a new one looking exactly identical 你会有一个长得一模一样的
that’s a different archive 但是里面文档不同
So you may want to take a sharpie to it or something 可能你要做一下标记
Could you pass me my magic manteau of power, sir 能不能把我的神奇力量头套递给我
I’m gonna go get that 我帮你拿
Is that about the possibility of… 这样是为了…
Visual, visual collection 防止别人看到
I don’t think this points to anything 戴这个头套除了吓吓我们
in this regard, that will shock us 我觉得没什么用
We become pretty… 我们都变得…
...before he’s like, he’s like 之前他就说
I’m never leaving my room, 说我以后再也不会…
I’m never leaving anything in my room again, not a single machine 我以后再也不会把任何设备单独留在房间里
I was like you’ve been effected by the paranoid of ... 我说你都疯了
In a way that was like I will never leaving a single device 他就一直说我以后再也不会把任何
I will never leaving them again 设备单独留在什么地方
alright, I’m gonna need you two enter your root password 我现在需要你输入根密码
because I don’t know what it is 我不知道你密码多少
If, if you want to use this you’re more than welcome 如果你想用这个千万别客气
ok 好
It looks like your root password is about four characters long 你的根密码好像只有4位
It usually is a lot longer 以前我的密码是长的
but that’s just like a one time only thing right? 但是这个密码输入是一次性的
So it is 所以…
It had been a lot longer 以前是长的
but ever since I knew it was just like a one time only session 但是我后来知道这个原来是一次性的
I have been making it shorter 我就弄了个短的
Is that not good? 这样不好吗？
It’s, it’s actually not 当然不好
I wasn’t expressing this with Laura either 我也没跟Laura说过
That issue is because of the fact the it’s got to harbor your IP address 这样可以保护你的IP地址
People are able to identify your machine and they will able to… 因为别人能认出来这台电脑是你的然后就会…
I guess this is the fact that you’re about to break the most upsetting story 我猜这才是你要公布这些秘密的原因
Right 对
Yeah 是
So they might kind prioritize... 他们可能会优先...
It’s ten-letter 我以前密码是10位
I type it very quickly 我输入输得很快
it’s actually ten letter 我以前密码真的是10位
so ten letters would be good if they had to look through entire key‘s base 如果他们要所有密码都找过来的话10位会比较好
That would still probably go through a couple of days for NSA 这样就算NSA也要花好几天时间
That’s a fire alarm 这个是火警警报
Ok 嗯
I ,hopefully it’s just some, like a 30-seconds test or just 我希望这个只是个半分钟测试或者…
Do you wanna call the desk and ask? 你要不要打电话给前台问问？
no 别
I think it’s fine 我觉得应该没事
Yeah, I don’t think it is an issue but it’s interesting that it just… 这个不是什么问题，但是有意思的是…
Did it happen before? 以前有没有响过？
Maybe they got mad 可能他们怒了
they couldn’t listen to us through the phone anymore 因为不能再通过电话窃听我们
Is fire alarm going off before? 以前火警警报有没有响过？
No, that’s the first time that’s happened 没有，这是第一次
I mean, I think just in case they got like an alert thing to go to 把电话线拔了防止警报再响
That’s unusual 太不寻常了
You’ve probably... 你可能要…
I might have to ask that 我可能要去问问
Shouldn’t ignore that 现在不能掉以轻心
I don’t know. 我也不知道
I think it was… 我觉得这个…
It’s ok, ok. It not continues 好了，好了，没响了
It not continues 没响了
No, I’m just saying if it...if it continues 呃，我是说如果它一直响的话…
Let me go 让我去吧
Let me take eyes down 我去
Yeah, alright 好吧
Yeah 好吧
Yeah, let’s, let’s, let’s ease for now, let me, uh, finish this up 那现在把这个先放放，我要先把这个弄好
Alright 好的
no one answers because they like have 7000 calls 还没人接，他们一天好像会接到很多电话
Hi, we heard a loud buzzing on the 10th floor 你好，我们在十楼听见很响的铃声
Can you tell us what that is? 你能告诉我们这是什么声音吗？
OK. OK, great, thank you, bye. 哦，好的，很好，谢谢你，再见
Fire alarm testing maintenance. 是火警警报测试维护
That’s good 还好
Yeah. yeah 还好
That’s what you wanna be here. 还好不是什么大事情
Nice of them to,uh, 还好
nice of them to let us know about that in advance 还好他们提前告诉我们
Uh, I just wanna give you a kind of quick tour 我想向你们简单的介绍一下这些文件
when Laura was looking at this Laura在看这个的时候
she was kind of salivating 震惊地一直咽口水
and couldn’t stop like actually reading documents 根本停不下来
Right, right, right. 是，是，是
So what your...is about promising that will succeed 所以你的....承诺一定会成功
Yeah. Yeah I just wanna kind of explain of brief overview of 对，对，我想简单的说一下
what these are and how they are organized 这些是什么文件以及它们的组织结构
The beginner is just some documents of interest 开头都是一些和利益有关的文件
the primary purposes of second archive 第二文档
is to bring the focus over to SSO 主要是集中在SSO上
I suppose to present them 我应该展示一下
this is in general, SSO is special source operations 总之，SSO是特殊消息处理组
This is a worldwide passive collection on networks 它的功能是对网络信息进行被动收集
that both domestic to the US and international 无论是美国国内的网络还是国际网络
There’s a lot of different ways they do it 他们有很多不同的信息收集手段
but corporate partnerships are one of the primary things 在国内他们的主要手段之一
they do domestically 就是和企业进行合作
they also do this with multinationals 对于总部设在美国的跨国公司
that might be headquarter in the US 也同样适用
or in the kind of co-owners 或者就是直接成为企业合伙人
They just pay and to give them the access. 他们只需要付钱给合作公司然后提供系统访问权限
And they also do bilaterally 而且他们还会选择
with these systems of certain governments 和其他国家的政府系统进行双边合作
and that’s based on the primary step 但都是建立在企业合作或合伙的基础上的
they go like alright 他们就会说
we will help you set the system up 我可以帮你们设置系统
if you give us all the data from it 但是你要提供给我们系统收集的数据
There’s, there’s, there’s a lot more here than 这里的文件很多
any one person or probably one team can do 一个人甚至一个团队可能都弄不完
Right 好的
XKeyscore deep dive.XKeyscore in general, and there’s a huge 接下来是XKeyscore deep dive 项目
folder of documentation of XKeyscore, 这里有一个很大的文件夹专门用来储存有关
of how it works，it is the front end system XKeyscore项目以及它的运行方式
that analysts use for querying that sort of ocean of raw signals 这是一个前段系统，是分析师用来分析我刚才说的
that’s what I’m telling you about 搜集到的信息的原始信号
All of that stuff where you can sort of do the retral active searches, 通过这个你可以进行倒带搜索
live searches and get flagging on that 实时搜索，对信号进行标记
XKeyscore is the front end for that XKscore为这些而设计的一个前端系统
I just gonna show you one slide here 我就给你们看一张
‘cause Laura thought it was valuable 因为Laura说这个太重要的
Let’s talk about, kind of how these capabilities ramp up 我们现在来说说这个系统是如何达到
in sophistication over time 现在这么精密的一个程度的
This is kind of nice 好的
As of fiscal year of 2011 在2011年
They could monitor 1 billion telephone and internet sessions 每一台装有这个系统的设备
simultaneously per one of these devices 可以同时监控10亿台电话和网络
and they can collect at the rate of 他们的搜集速度
about 125 gigabytes a second which is a terabit 可以达到10亿字节每秒，也就是万亿比特
That’s for just each one of these devices? 就一台机器吗？
That’s for each one of these, yeah. 对，就一台机器
How many tera-machines would there be then 那这样的机器一共有多少台？
Un, Per this, back then 呃，那时候…
There were 20 sites, there’s ten at DOD installations 一共有20个设置地点，国防部有10台
But these were all outdated 但这些都已经非常旧了
We’ve expanded pretty rapidly 因为我们发展地很快
But still 20 sites that’s at least 20 billion 但是设置地点还是20个，起码可以监控200亿
This all needs to get out 这些信息都需要公布出去
You know what I mean, it’s like 而且，你知道
just in terms of understanding, 就靠普通人的理解能力，
the capabilities it’s so opaque 还真的听不懂
It’s not science fiction. 这不是科幻小说
The stuff is happening right now 这是正在发生的真实的事情
No, I mean it’s like, the magnitude of it and like 我的意思是，事关重大
this is a pretty inaccessible technical document 一般人根本看不到这些技术文件
Yes 说的是
But even this like, this is really chilling 但还是让人觉得毛骨悚然
you know what I mean and, yeah, we should have, 对于是否让政府对我们进行监控，
we should be having the debates about whether we want government to ... 我觉得应该让大家辩论决定
I mean this is massive and extraordinary 这件事波及范围广，事态严重
it’s, it’s amazing 太出人意料了
Even though you know it...You know, even though you know that to see it like physical blueprints of it 即使你知道现在看的是项目蓝图
and sort of technical expressions of it brutally hits home 以及一些技术性词汇的表达
like a super ..., that is so needed 但这些就像超级...一样对你产生心理冲击，我们很需要这个
六小时候，Glenn Greenwald 发表了第一篇报道
This is CNN breaking news 现在是CNN重大新闻
An explosive new report is reigniting other concerns 为了国家安全，公民隐私受侵犯的爆炸性新闻
that your privacy is being violated to protect America’s security. 再一次引起人们对隐私的担忧
It reveals a court order giving 该新闻披露法院
the National Security Agency of blanketed access 秘密授权美国国家安全局
to millions of Verizon customers’ records on a daily basis 对Verizon公司百万客户进行日常的通讯记录收集
earlier I had the chance to conduct the first TV interview with the reporter 早前，我对报道该新闻的卫报记者Glenn Greenwald
who broke the story wide open, Glenn Greenwald of the Guardian 做了首次电视采访
congratulations on the scoop 恭喜你披露了这么大的一个新闻
Explain for our viewers why this is important 能跟我们的观众就这件事的重要性做一个解释吗
It’s important because people have understood that the law 大家都知道这件事能够进行
that this was done under which is the the Patriot Act 都是因为爱国者法案
the act in the wake of 911 was a law 这个法案是在911事件之后通过的
that allowed government very broad powers to get records 在常规情况下
about people with a lower level of suspicion in a probable cause, the traditional standard 它给予政府更大的权力对嫌疑人进行信息收集
so it’s always been assumed that under the Patriot Act 普遍认为根据爱国者法案
if the government has even any suspicion that you were involved in a crime or terrorism 如果政府有理由怀疑你涉嫌犯罪或恐怖事件
they can get a lot of information about you 他们就可以对你进行大量的信息收集
what this court order does that makes it so striking is that 此次法院颁布的授权命令这么惊人
it’s that it’s not direct at any individuals 是因为这不是针对那些
who they believe or have suspicion, uh committing crimes or part of terrorism organization 犯罪嫌疑人或恐怖分子个人的
it’s collecting the phone records of every single customer of Verizon business 而是针对Verizon公司每一个用户
and finding out every single call that they’ve made internationally and locally 收集他们所有的境内外通话记录
so it’s indiscriminate and it’s sweeping 几乎是不分青红皂白，扫荡式地进行
it’s a government program designed to collect information about all Americans 这是一个政府用来收集所有美国人信息的计划
not just people where they believe 不是只针对个别
there’s a reason to think they’ve done anything wrong 他们有理由怀疑的嫌疑人
星期四
Yeah, it’s, it’s a tough situation 目前我的处境很艰难
You know, hearing that the person that you love 听到你爱的人
that you spent decades with may not be coming back 共同生活了十几年的人可能就要离开你了
What did they ask her? 他们问了她什么？
When was the last time she saw me 她最后一次见我是在什么时候
Where am I 我现在在哪里
What am I doing 我在做什么
you know what did she know about my illness 知不知道我生病了
things like that 之类的问题
so ,the other, uh, they are pretty, thoroughly aware 其他事情他们很明显都知道
because I’m clearly not at home ill 因为我根本没有生病在家
Hello 你好
Oh man I’m just disconnecting from the internet 我断一下网
So there’s something news? 有新的消息吗？
Yes, there was indeed some news. 还真的有新消息，
I have config today I think maybe just a few hours ago 几个小时前有信息显示
What kind of people visited 来的是什么人
an HR lady 一位自称是来自人力资源管理部门的女士
I’m assuming from NSA is supposed to, is supposed to Booz Allen 我猜应该是NSA到Booz Allen的人
because she’s a complete white police officer which means the NSA police 她是个白人女警，可能是NSA的
They are planning breaking my house 他们今天想要闯入我家
which regular police don’t do 一般的警察不会这么做
Does she live there? 她住在那里吗？
Yeah, she lives there. So I told her to corporate fully 对，我告诉她要全力配合
I can’t hang my phone, just one second 我现在不能挂电话，等我一下
You know worry about herself 我跟她说多担心担心自己吧
You know, I’m gonna do, I’ll just take out the stuff I want to use 我拿一下要用东西
OK 好
OK. Well, look, I mean this is not a surprise at all 这件事完全在意料之内
Not ,yeah, I know 对，我知道，
I planed for it but it’s just you know when its’ impact 这一切都在计划之中
and they’re talking to you it’s a little bit different 但是真的发生了感觉还是有点不一样
absolutely 这是肯定的
But it’s possible that they’ just notice that you are missing 他们有可能发现你失踪了
I guess it’s not really impossible 有可能
It-it-it-is, but yeah there I mean 是有可能
So I obviously was focused on the thing that appears this morning. 我还在想今天早上的事
How was, how does she react 她是什么反应
Was she relatively calm about it 是不是非常镇静
She’s, she’s relatively calm 她相当镇静
Does she know anything about what you are doing 她知不知道你做的事
She has, she has no idea 完全不知道
and that’s I mean, I feel badly about that 虽然我觉得不告诉她不好
but that’s the only way I can think of where 但是这是唯一可以保全她的办法
like she can’t be in trouble 她不能有危险
Do you basically do ‘ I have to go somewhere 你有没有跟她说我要去个地方，
for reasons that I can’t tell you ‘ about kind of thing 但是不能告诉你之类的
I just disappeared when she was on vacation 她去度假的时候我才离开的
and I left notes saying hey I’d be going for a while for work 但是我留了纸条给她，说我要出差工作
which isn’t unusual for me as my reasons you know, so 这个理由很对我来说已经是家常便饭了
OK, let me ask you a couple of things just quickly 我想问你几个问题
Are they gonna be able to go to your stuff and figure out what you talk 他们有没有可能拿到你留下来的东西，从中找到信息
In some kind of some sort of like peripheral senses, but not necessarily 有可能，但不一定
Yes, because I cast such a wide net 我撒了一个很大的网
If they do that, the only thing they’re gonna do 如果他们这么做的话，
is they’re gonna have a hard attack 他们会遭到沉重打击
‘cause they’re gonna go like 就算找到我的东西
he has access to everything 他们只会觉得说，他什么都知道
and they’re not gonna know 但是具体我做了什么
what specifically has been done 他们就完全摸不着头脑
I think they’re gonna start to actually feel a little better 不管怎么样，他们不可能对这件事一直那么热衷
although they are not gonna be wild about this in any case 等到事情告一段落，我觉得他们就会开始自我感觉良好
When they see that the story is a kind of cleaving to a trend, you know 因为找我，不像是给一个单子说，
it’s not like here’s the list of everybody who works everywhere 这个人在哪儿工作那么简单
Right. 说的对
I also think you know 但是我觉得有可能他们
they’re gonna be paranoid in the extreme 会变成一个非常极端的偏执狂
and assuming all kinds of worst case scenarios which is gonna you know 假设各种最坏的情况
I think, make them react unwisely 然后作出一些不恰当的回应
They are probably not gonna be particularly rational in their part 有可能他们会采取比较不理智的方法
but at the same time there’s 但是同时我也觉得
I do think they are limited for the moment 政府目前所有的行为都是受到限制的
I, I agree and I mean I had kind of time 我同意你的看法，我觉得应该要让
to set a stage where 事情发展到能给我们提供
we all enjoy at least a minimum level of protection 起码的保护的地步
you know no matter who we are 不管我们的身份
who’s involved in this you know 不管我们是不是参与到这件事情中
you’re either a journalist 不管是不是记者
Right. 对
or you’re either out of jurisdiction 不管是不是在这个范围之内
so we have some time to play this 所以在政府开始有所行动之前
before they can really investigate 我们还有时间
I think it’s over you know the weeks 等他们的律师做好准备
when they have time to get lawyers really sort to go 大概需要几个星期的时间
This is a special situation how can we interpret this tour in advance 情况太特殊了，对接下来的事情我们要怎么预测
like we see them do this all the time you know 根据19世纪40年代的法律
whether it’s drones or wiretapping whatever the go 不管是无人机，窃听装置，还是其他的手段
while according to this law from the 1840s 他们就一直在我们眼皮子底下进行信息收集
and we can actually explain why there is this authority 政府的所作所为虽然也能得到解释
But that takes time 但是要让一切都被接受还是需要时间
and that takes agreement 以及民众的同意
Yeah, you know, I mean, I think they are public 对，我认为他们一切行动都在明处
we are out there to, as journalists 作为记者
the more protection that’s gonna give us as well 我们可能可以得到更多的保护
Have you started to give thought 你决定好什么时候
to when you are ready to come forward 亮明身份了吗
I’m, I’m ready whenever 什么时候都可以
honestly I think there’s sort of agreement 我觉得大家都同意
that is not going to bias the reporting process 新闻报道中心不能走偏
that’s my primary concern at this point 这是我目前最担心的
I don’t want to give myself into the issue of 对于即将发生的事情
what’s gonna happening anyway and 我不想让自己成为中心
where it takes away from stories 这会把注意力从他们发表的报道上
they are getting out 都转移到我身上
星期五
We are talking about tens of millions of Americans 我们现在的话题是成千上万的美国公民
who weren’t suspected in doing anything 即使没有犯罪的嫌疑
who were surveilled in this way 也正在以这种方式被监控着
Here are thoughts for a moment 大家想一想
I’d like to continue this conversation 我想继续讨论这个话题
There are really important sensitive issues 这些是非常重要非常敏感的事情
the public out there has a right to know 公众有权利知道事情的真相
我和记者Barton Gellman一起在华盛顿邮报上发布了第二篇报道 卫报紧随其后，也发布了美国国家安全局这一监视计划的相关报道
what’s going on standby 有权知道到底发生了什么
This is CNN Breaking News. 现在是CNN最新新闻
Another explosive article has just appeared this time 又一爆炸性新闻
in the Washington Post on its Breaking News 刊登在了《华盛顿邮报》最新新闻的板块上
it reveals another broad and secret 揭示了美国政府
US government surveillance program. 另一监视计划
The Washington Post and Guardian in London 美国华盛顿邮报和英国卫报
reporting that the NSA and the FBI 报道了美国国家安全局和美国联邦调查局
are tapping directly into the central servers 直接进入美国九大网络公司的中心服务器
of nine leading internet companies 搜集数据
including Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook 包括微软、雅虎、谷歌、facebook
AOL, Skype, YouTube and Apple AOL、Skype、YouTube和苹果
The Post says they are extracting audio, video 华盛顿邮报称他们搜集语音、视频
photographs, emails, documents 照片、电子邮件、文件和连接日志
and connection logs that enable analysts 根据这些，分析员可以掌握
to track a person’s movements 一个人的行踪
and contacts over time 以及社交情况
Let’s discuss this latest revelation 接下来我们将就最新的报道进行讨论
that coming out fast 这一报道的进展速度很快
go Binney, the former official of NSA Binney是2001年辞职的前NSA官员
who quit back in 2001 你先来谈谈吧
you were anger of what was going on 以前你对NSA的所作所为感到不满
you’ve been known as whistleblower right now 一直以来，你也被称作告密者
Though what do you think about this Washington Post story? 你是怎样看待华盛顿邮报所披露的事件的？
Well I assume it’s just the continuation 我认为这是
of what they’ve been doing all along. NSA一直以来的监视计划的延续而已
So you are not surprised 所以你一点也不吃惊
Not at all. 是的
Do you have any ideas of who’s leaking this information 你知道是谁泄露这些消息的吗
I don’t know who leaked this 我不知道是谁泄露的
but I have no doubt that 但是我确信
the administration will launch an investigation 他们并不会去调查
not into who approve these programs 是谁批准了这些计划
but into who leaked the information. 还是去调查是谁泄露了秘密
I’m not shocked the companies deny it yet 这些公司矢口否认我对此不感到吃惊
I don’t assume…. 我并不是说.....
He blamed it 他是在谴责这件事
There maybe some technical bases 他们可以用一些技术问题当做借口
on which they can say that we are not actively collaborating or 说他们不是主动收集资料
they don’t have what we consider in narrow definition 我们认为的“直接进入服务器”
to be direct access to our servers 跟他们想的不一样
But I do know is that 但是我能肯定的是
I’ve talked to more than one person 因为我跟很多人谈过
who has sat at a desk 他们坐在办公桌前
added a web portal and typed out commands 进入一个门户网站，输入命令之后
and reached into those servers from the distance 就能远程进入服务器
so whatever they wanna call that 所以，无论他们怎么说
that’s what happening. 这就是事实
What, What I will call it is the single biggest infringement 我觉得它是到目前为止
on American civil liberties probably all-time, isn’t it 对美国公民自由权利的最大的侵犯，是吧
Politicians already have the New York Time now today 今天，政客们都已经拿到了纽约时报
saying the administration 报纸上说
has lost all credibility 奥巴马政府已经失去了所有公信力
Yeah, the New York Time slammed 对，纽约时报就用这件事
President Obama for this 猛喷奥巴马总统
Frankly I was used to that 老实说，我已经对此见怪不怪了
The New York Time just slammed George Bush 纽约时报也因为小布什
for protecting the country for the steps he took 做的保护国家政策喷过他
I don’t wanna start to drop our guard 我不想放松警惕
I don’t want us to be stuck again 我也不想让大家再上当受骗
As we saw in Boston, Anderson 和我们在Boston看到的一样，Anderson
people are willing to sacrifice their civil liberties, 人们很乐意牺牲自己的自由
people sheltered inside ‘cause they’re not… 他们住在自己的房子里因为他们没有…
How can you believe in freedom, do you think 现在还怎么相信自由，你说
I mean, try play the devil’s advocate for me 让我来说几句大实话
When you have secret courts, 一个国家有秘密法庭，
secret operations like prison, secret investigations 秘密操作的东西，比如说监狱，秘密调查
which is going to ever... call for every America’s live 对每个美国人的通话都进行监控
without any member of the American public knowing about it 但是美国公民对此却一无所知
that’s not freedom, isn’t it 这还是自由吗
In 2008 they eliminated the warrant requirement 在2008年，政府决定
for all conversations 除了他们在美国收买美国人
expect one that takes place 协助监听活动的对话外
buying among the Americans 民众对话的监听
exclusively on the American soil 不需要获得批准
So they don’t need warrants now for people 所以现在对在国外的外国人
who are foreigners outside the US 监听他们更不需要许可了
but they also don’t need warrants for Americans 但是现在就算是在美国的美国人
in the United States communicating with people 只要和他们认为是在国外的人进行通讯
reasonably believed to be outside of the US. 他们也可以不经过许可就监听通讯
So again the fact they are no checks, 所以事实就是
no oversight about who’s looking over the NSA shoulder NSA不受任何审查或监督
means they can take whatever they want 这就意味着他们私底下
and in fact that it was behind the wall of secrecy 想拿什么就拿什么
and they threaten people who want to expose it 他们还威胁想要曝光他们人
means that whatever they are doing 他们现在不管做什么
even violating the law 就算是违法行为
is something that we unlikely to know 我们也不知道
until we start having real investigations 除非我们对政府行为
and real transparency into 进行真正的调查
what it is the government is doing. 要求透明公开
Glenn Greenwald Glenn Greenwald
congratulations again on exposing what is a truth scandal 再一次恭喜你揭露了这一丑闻
Appreciate you enjoying me 谢谢你的报道
Yeah, I just heard from Lindsay 我和Lindsay联系上了
Lindsay是斯诺登的女朋友
and she’s still alive which is good 她还活着这简直太好了
and for my rent checks apparently 我的房租支票显然
are no longer getting through to my landlord 没有再到我的房东手里
so they said if we don’t pay them in five days 所以他们警告说5天之内不交房租
we’ll be evicted 我们就会被赶出去
which is strange 这太奇怪了
because we’ve got a system set up 因为我们设置了一个系统
to automatically pay them 会自动打钱给他们
So this then, apparently these construction trucks 然后我家门外的街上
are all over the street over my house 都是工程车
I wonder what they are looking for 我想知道他们在找什么
It is, it is an unusual... kinda hard to 这种感觉是很奇怪的
hard like to describe or convey words 难以用语言来表达
but not knowing what’s gonna happen in the next day 一个人不知道接下来的一个小时
the next hour, the next week 一天甚至一个星期之内会发生什么
It’s scary 这让人很害怕
but at the same time it’s liberating 但同时我也觉得松了口气
You know 你知道，相比之下
The planning comes a lot easier 有计划，事情就会容易的多
because you don’t have that many variables taken into play 因为没有很多变数
you can only act and then act again 你只能一遍一遍照着做
Now all these phone calls 现在所有的通话都有电子记录
are being recorded digitally not for content 但不是记录谈话内容
but for origin and destination 而是为了记录呼叫人和被呼叫人
now warm the government is going right 警告：现在政府可以直接进入
into the servers of these large internet companies 大型网络公司服务器
How does the government politically speaking 政府的理由是为了国家安全
make the argument that this is essential to national security 而不是对个人隐私的侵犯
and not a dramatic overreach in terms of personal privacy 他们是怎么解释的呢
It’s difficult, Matt Matt，政府要进行解释真的很困难
because as Peter was pointing out last night 正如昨晚Peter所说
we had an extraordinary late night close to midnight 一切即将真相大白
announcement and declassification from the director of National Intelligence 国家情报局局长发表了公告，实施解密
they are scrambling 他们现在一片混乱
the administrations are already supported strongly 政府已经获得了
by leaders in both parties from the Intelligence Committees 情报委员会两大党派领导人的极力支持
GCHQ has an internal Wikipedia at the top secret you know, GCHQ自己的机密文件都有内部文件百科
super classified level 都是非常机密的文件
where anybody working in Intelligence 任何在国家情报局工作的人
can work on anything they want 都可以得到任何他们想要的信息
Yeah 记住了
That’s what it is. I’m giving it to you. 就是这个，我把它给你
You can make the decisions on that 你来做决定
what’s appropriate, what’s not. 什么该公布
It’s gonna be documents of a few of different types, 这些都是不同形式的资料
pictures, power points or documents, stuff like that 比如照片、幻灯片和文件，类似这些
So can I take that seat 我能坐吗
Yeah 当然
So these documents they will show….. 所以这些资料内容是….
Yeah, there will be a couple of more documents on that 文件百科里的资料更多
That’s only one part though 现在这些只是一部分
like talks about TEMPOR and a little more thing 都是有关TEMPRO和一些别的东西
that’s the Wiki articles itself 但是文件百科里
It was also talking about a self-developed tool called UDAQ, U-D-A-Q 还介绍了他们自己研发的UDAQ工具
It’s their search tool for all the stuff they collected was what it looks like 用来搜索他们收集的资料
It’s gonna be projects, 里面还有很多有关计划项目
it’s gonna be trouble-shooting pages for particular tool 特殊工具故障维修的资料
Thanks 谢谢
When do you think you will be public? 你觉得你什么时候会亮明身份？
I think it’s pretty soon 很快
I mean, with the reaction 我出现带来的影响
it’s escalating more quickly 肯定会加速事态的发展
I think pretty much as soon as 只要他们开始拿我作文章
they start trying to make this about me 我就会现身
which should be any day now 应该很快了
Yeah 是
I’ll come out, just go, hey, you know, 我会亮明身份
this is, this is not a question of somebody 这件事不是说一个人
skulking around in the shadows 藏在暗处偷偷摸摸地做事
These are public issues 这些事事关公众
these are not my issues, you know 并不是我一个人的事
these are everybody’s issues 这是每个人的事
and I’m not afraid of you, you know 我不怕他们
you are not gonna bulling me into silence 他们可以把别人打到闭嘴
like you’ve done to everybody else. 在我身上没用
And if nobody else gonna do it 如果这件事没有人做
I will 那么我会挺身而出
and hopefully when I’m gone 希望死了我这个夏明翰
whatever you do to me there will be somebody 后面还有后来人
else will do the same thing 会做跟我同样的事
It will be the sort of internet principle of Hydra. 就像九头蛇网络法则一样
You know you can stop one person 一个人被阻止了
but it’s gonna be seven more of us. 会有七个人再站出来
Yeah. 是的
Are you getting more nervous 你是不是觉得越来越紧张了
Uh, I mean, no, I, I think the way I look at stress 没有，主要是我看待压力的方式
particularly because I sort of knew this was coming 我知道会发生什么事
you know, because I ,sort of ,volunteered to walk into it 这些事都是我自愿的
I’m already sort of familiar with the idea 我已经很习惯这些想法了
I’m not worried about 我不担心
when somebody like, busts the door 如果有人突然破门而入
suddenly I’ll get nervous and a little effected 那瞬间我是会受到影响，感到紧张
but I totally do, you know 但是其实我真的不紧张
I’m eating a little less that’s the only 我想我唯一的变化就是
the only difference I think. 吃的比以前少了
Let’s talk about the issue 我们来讨论一下
with when we’re gonna say who you are 什么时候公布你的身份
yeah 好
This is you know, you have to talk me through this 我们必须要好好谈谈
because I have a big worry about this 因为我很担心
ok, tell me 好，说吧
which is that if we come out 我担心，如果我们说出了你的身份
and I know that you believe that your detection is inevitable 我知道你认为他们找到你是肯定的
and it’s inevitable imminently 这也是早晚的事
There’s you know in the New York Times today Charlie Savage 今天纽约时报的Charlie Savage
the fascinating Sherlock Holmes like of reporting 报道得跟福尔摩斯一样很吸引人
did use that fact that 他说自从奥巴马上台后
there’s been these leaks since succession 就有很多人开始泄密
probably means there’s some one person who’s decided to leak as much as 这意味着有人想要爆料爆的越多…
someone else supported you 有的人通过成为你的读者
as saying I was one of your readers 来支持你
yeah 是
somebody else who put a lot of things 其他人…
I mean it’s fine 我想说的是，这没关系
I want people, I want be like, you know like 我想让别人
This is the person I want to start introducing the concept that 我想介绍你的时候
this is a person who has a particular set of political objective 告诉他们你的目标是
about informing the world 告诉世界
of what is taking place 发生的一切
you know, I didn’t show 我现在都没有亮明你的身份
I’m keeping it all anonymous, totally 我写你都是匿名的
But I wanna to start introducing you 但是我想以一种相比之下
in that kind of incremental way 比较高调的方式介绍你
but here’s, here’s the thing 问题是
what I’m concerned about is that we come out and say 我担心我们把你身份公开以后
here this is and here is what he did 就肯定会说到你做了什么事
the whole thing that we talked about 然后公开我们说过的话
then we’re basically be doing the government’s work for them 我们这样是在做政府该做的事
we’re basically be handing them, you know, a confession 相当于是我们自己去告诉他们
and helping them identify who found it 我们找到了泄密的人
I mean maybe you’re right 也许你是对的
maybe they will find out quickly 他们可能很快找到你
and maybe they don’t know 也可能根本不知道是谁泄密
but is there any possibity of they won't 不是有没有这种可能性是他们没找到
are we, are we kinda giving them stuff 我们相当于把他们要的东西双手奉上
we don’t, or, or 我们不...
there's a possibility that they don’t want to reveal it 有可能他们已经知道了但是不想公开
because they don’t know [inaudiable] 因为他们不知道...
Or that they don’t know 或者他们不知道
what we are gonna telling them 我们这样就是主动去告诉他们
Like is that possible that they’re gonna need like 也许，他们不确定的情绪可能会
two or three months of uncertainty 持续两到三个月
and we will gonna be solving that problem for them 我们这样是在帮他们解决问题
or let me just say the all part 请允许我这样说
maybe doesn’t matter to you 也许这些跟你没关系
like maybe you want it... 也许是你想这么做...
maybe I mean you are not coming out 你想现身
because you think they’re inevitably gonna catch you 不是因为你觉得他们肯定会抓到你
and you want to do it first 所以你选择主动现身
you are coming up because you wanna fucking come out. 你想站出来就是因为你想站出来
You want to be there 你想站出来
I mean this is the thing 就是
I don’t want to hide on this skulking around 我一点也不想躲躲藏藏
I don’t think I should have to 我也不觉得我需要这样做
Obviously there are circumstances they’re saying that 他们说特殊情况特殊处理
I think it is powerful to come out and be like, 但我觉得先发制人更有力
Look, I’m not afraid you know, 我并不害怕，
I don’t think other people should either, you know 我也不认为人们需要感到害怕
I was sitting in the office right next to you last week 因为上周在办公室我就坐在你旁边
You know, we all have stake in this 这件事跟每个人都有关系
This is our country 这是我们的国家
and the balance of power between the citizenry and the government 公民与政府间权利的平衡
is becoming that of the ruling and the ruled 已经变成统治者与被统治者的关系
as supposed to actually you know the elected and the electorate 但其实应该是当选人和选民的关系
OK, so that’s what I need to hear. That, this is not about... 很好，这是我想听到的答案
But I, I do wanna say I don’t think there is a case 在这么长的时间里
that I’m not gonna be discovered in the fullness of time, 我不是说他们找不到我
it’s just a question of time. 这只是时间问题
You are right 你说得对
you could take them a long time 他们要找到我可能是要花点时间
I don’t think they will 但是我觉得不会太久
but I didn’t try to hide the footprint because 但是我根本没想藏起来
again I intended to come forward. 我是打算挺身而出的
OK. 好的.....
I’m gonna post this morning 今天早上我会发表文章
just a general defense of whistleblowers 为告密者进行辩护
That’s fine 好的
and you in particular, without saying anything about you 不会透露任何有关你身份的信息
I’m gonna post that right when I get back 我一回去就马上报道
And I, and I’m almost doing like a big fuck you to all the people 让那些一直说要对告密者进行调查的人
who keep like, talking about investigation 去他妹的
That, I want that to be fearlessness 我要大胆得做
and fuck you to like the bowling attack 跟保龄球一样撞他妹的
It’s got to be completely pervading, everything we do 我们接下来做什么事都要这么想
And I think that’s brilliant 我觉得这个想法很好
I mean your principles on this I love, I can support them of 你的原则我很喜欢，我也会全力支持
because it is, it’s inverting the model 因为这样可以改变政府
the government has laid out 他们不能再跟以前一样
where people who were trying to ,you know, say the truth, skulking round 用老一套对付那些讲真话的人，让他们躲躲藏藏
they hide in the dark 藏在暗处
they quote anonymously on that 匿名报信
I say yes, fuck that 是的，去你的
OK. Listen here’s the plan 听着，计划是这样的
Then, I mean and this is the thing, 我认为我们都是做了
it’s like I think we all just felt the fact this is the right way to do it 我们该做的事
You feel the power of your choice 你的选择给予你力量
you know what I mean 你明白我的意思
It’s like I want that power to be felt in the world. 我想让世界也感受到这种力量
OK 好
And it is the big, 这是
I mean it is the ultimate standing up to them, right? 这是和他们的终极对抗
Like I’m not gonna fuck hide even for like one second 我他妈一秒都不想躲了
I’m gonna get right into your face 我们直接去打他们的脸
yeah 好
You don’t have to investigate 你们不用再调查了
‘cause now think, you investigate, here I am 现在我人就在这里
Yeah 对
you know and I think that’s just incredibly powerful 我认为这样超有气场
and then the question just becomes 现在的问题就是
how do we do this in the right you know the perfect way 我们如何把这件事做好做得完美
and that’s my burden and that’s what I gonna… 这是我考虑了很久的事情...
So today’s gonna be the story in the morning 今天的报道会在上午发布
assuming that it doesn’t change in the Guardian man 卫报那边不变动的话
it’s gonna be the story in the morning, 大概就是早上了
Just keep them going, 就按计划进行下去
just keep like the disclosure’s coming in big one at night 让这次的泄密泄得更猛烈一些
now it’s becoming like OK, this is a major leak 然后变成一次大揭密
and after today we post truth stuff that we’re gonna post 今天之后我们会发布真实文件
It’s gonna be what the fuck is this leak and who did it 事情就会变成，我靠，这些都是谁干的
I guarantee you 当然是你干的
and it suppose to make sure, move over slightly 稍微挪一下
you want me to move it more over 这样？
ok 好了
alright, alright 好了好了
we’re rolling 开始录了
So let’s begin with some basic background information, like just state your name 先从你的一些基本信息开始吧
what positions you held in Intelligence Community 你以前在情报机构的职位
and how long you worked with that community 你在那里工作了多久
ok 好的
just more [inaudible] regard how in depth… 就是不要太深入
just in general, like I’m currently an infrastructure analyst in Booz Allen Hamilton 像我是Booz Allen Hamilton的基础设施分析员
not going through my whole back story 就不用讲我整个背景经历是吗
yeah 对
ok 好的
just like, yes , some brief kind of... 就简洁一点
OK 好
My name is Edward Snowden, I’m 29 years old 我叫Edward Snowden，29岁
I worked for Booz Allen Hamilton as an infrastructure analyst for NSA in Hawaii 我就职于Booz Allen Hamilton
And what are some of positions you have held previously within the intelligence community? 你以前在情报机构
I’ve been a system engineer, a system administrator, 我担任过系统工程师，系统管理员
a senior adviser for the Central Intelligence Agency 中央情报局高级顾问
a solutions consultant and a telecommunications information system officer 解决方案顾问，电信信息系统官员
And what kind of clearance have you held, the kind of classification 你的权限能看到最高几级机密信息
Top secret 最高级别
So people in my level of access for system administration 像我一样的系统管理员
or as an infrastructure analyst 或者基础设施分析员
typically have a higher access 我们的访问权限
than a NSA employee would normal have 比普通NSA雇员高一点
normal NSA employees have combination of clearances 普通NSA雇员的权限密码
called TS SI TK and GEMA 称为TS，SI，TK和GEMA
That’s top secret signals of intelligence Talent-Keyhole, GEMA 这些都是最高机密的象征，Talent-Keyhole, Gema
they all relate to certain things they’re sort of core to the NSA mission 它们都和NSA的任务核心有关系
As a system administrator 如果是系统管理员
you get a special clearance called privi-acc for privileged access 你可以拿到名为priviacc的特殊访问权限
which allows you to be exposed to information of any classification 不管你的职位等级是多少
regardless of what your position actually needs 各个权限的信息你都可以访问
星期一
2013年6月10日
…Just before we go 在节目结束之前
a reminder of our top story 让我们再次重温一下今天的头条新闻
CIA took the co-worker Edward Snowden,says CIA已经认定其雇员Edward Snowden
He’s responsible for leaking information 泄露了机密信息
that US authority has been monitoring phone and Internet data 披露美国政府监控电话和网络数据
The US justice department confirmed it’s in the third status 美国司法部证实
on a criminal investigation 现在正在犯罪调查的第三阶段
Leave it longer or cut it shorter 你觉得我
what do you think 剃长点好还是短点好
As far as the video, the people saw 跟电视采访的时候
In my [inaudible] for now, was it 比起来
‘cause I can’t go all the way down this 没办法都剃光
It could still be stumble 可能还会有胡渣
and I don’t have the blade for closer 我没有能剃得更干净的剃须刀
Are you going to talk to other media about this story today 你今天会和媒体谈论这个事情吗
I am 会的
Will you be coming through… 你能够….
…about where is Snowden now? What his plans are ….. Snowden在哪里？他有什么计划
Well, obviously, I’m not gonna talk about that 我不想说这个
So I must need your question’s just gonna be pretty, pretty… 你的问题….
What are your plans? Please 你的计划是什么
Are you staying in HK for the time being 你目前还呆在香港吗
For a little while 会在这里停留一会儿
Do you have any hopes to write more about this story 你对继续报道这个事件有希望吗
or are you stopping new writing about this story 还是说你就不报道了
No, I’m liking continue writing about it 我会继续下去的
Have you had any pressure from the US authorities 对于继续报道这件事
about continuing to report on this 美国政府有给你压力吗
No 没有
And have you heard anything about 你有没有听说
what could be the ask of Hong Kong authorities 香港政府在此次事件中
toward what’ s in the case 有什么要求
Whether they contacted you or asked you anything about the whereabouts of Snowden 他们有没有联系你询问斯诺登的行踪
Whether they have chosen another… 他们有没有选择另外的...
I have not heard from the authorities of any of them 我没有收到任何来自政府的消息
Do you, where do you think this story is going 你觉得对你，对Snowden
For you and of course for Snowden and of course 对美国媒体和美国政府来说
for the US media and the US administration in general 事情会怎么发展下去
Well, for me, I can tell, I’m gonna continue report on 我只能说说我个人方面
do my reporting on what the government has been doing 我会继续报道政府在这件事情上所作的一切
and what I think my readers should know about it 以及我认为我的读者应该知道的内幕
As for him, I don’t think anyone knows 对于他，我相信没有人知道
电视里在播放斯诺登第一次采访视频
I could have people come after me 人们可能会追捕我
Or any of their third party partners 或者任何他们的第三方伙伴
You know, they’re close to a number of other nations 他们和很多个国家关系都很亲密
Or you know they could pay off the triads 他们也可以买通帮会
Any of their agents or assets 或者找到任何特工或者有利的条件
We’ve got a CIA station just up the road 旁边路上就有一个CIA工作站
The consulate here in HK 美国驻香港领事馆…
Around the third of the country, 12 billion people are not going to work …三分之一的国家，120亿人口处在失业中…
斯诺登想要在外形上做改变防止被人认出
The top story 今天的头条新闻
Facing a criminal investigation 揭发了NSA监听电话
the whistleblower who leaked the details 和拦截网络信息的告密者
On how NSA monitoring phone calls 今日现明正身
and internet data growing public 面临刑事调查
The security forces in Afghanistan 阿富汗安全部队称
say a number of Taliban insurgents have targeted a Kabul's airport 一批塔利班叛军袭击了喀布尔机场
now it’s time for paper review 现在是评论报纸时间
and look what’s making headline around the world 来看看今天又哪些世界头条新闻
Let’s start with Guardian 我们先从卫报开始
our top story which is revealing the identity 今天的头条是告密者现明正身
of the former CIS employee 为前任CIS雇员
The paper says the leaked information exposing the scale 报道称泄露的信息暴露了
on American surveillance of the internet 美国对网络监视的规模
Edward Snowden Edward Snowden
What a great story 真是个好故事
What do you say 你怎么看
It’s a fantastic story 真是个不可思议的故事
First of all, it could be straight out of John le Carre’s novel 完全就像John le Carre的小说
I mean when you read what he did 当你知道他做了什么
yes he got the material 对，他是拿到了很多资料
he then decided to go the place to indentify himself 然后他决定亮明身份
God damn it 我靠
…which is HK 因为他在香港
because importing technically…inside China 中国是一国两制
the one country, two system policies there 所以在那里
meaning he would get the potentially some protection he thought 他可能会得到一些保护
all very well planned 这些都计划得很好
could be just our of the spy novels 简直就是间谍小说
but what about the details 但是关于细节…
I could make it worse but 我越弄越糟了，但是
I’m not sure 我也不知道
just the lower half of my face 只是我的脸的下半部分…
Snowden says he’s becoming increasing dismayed Snowden称NSA权力的不断扩大
by that he saw as the growing power of the NSA 让他心生恐惧
and insists his decisions to passing on documents 非常坚定地要披露文件
which said to reveal not only organizations 这些文件不仅暴露了多个组织
monitor millions of phone calls 在监听电话记录
but that have direct access 而且还透露
How do you feel? 你感觉怎么样？
What happens happens 该发生的都发生了
we’ve talked about this 我们也说过了
I know the risk 我知道风险
If I get arrested, I get arrested 如果我被捕了就被捕了
We are able to get the information 我们还是要拿到这些信息
the needed to get out out 需要公布的就公布
and you and Glenn are able to keep reporting 不管在我身上发生什么事
regardless what happens to me 你和Glenn都要继续报道
now, 29 year old Edward Snowden says the US intelligence agency 29岁的Edward Snowden称美国情报局
got millions of phone records 搜集了上百万的电话记录
and monitored internet data 并一直监控网络数据
the Guardian paper revealed his identity 卫报根据他的要求
at his own request 公布了他的身份
Yes, I’m sorry who’s asking? 请问你是谁
I’m afraid you have the wrong room , thank you 对不起，你打错电话了
Wall street Journal 华尔街日报
Yes, I’m sorry, say again 请再重复一遍
No, no thank you 哦，不用了
No calls 没人会给我打电话
I think they have the wrong number 他们找错人了
Yeah, no calls, thank you 对，没人会给我打电话
Wait, I’m sorry , if it’s, it’s two men from the front desk 如果是在前台的两个男人
They can call 他们可以打电话给我
But no else calls 其他电话就不用接了
Wait, actually just let them through 你就直接让他们上来
Wait, wait Ma’am, fuck 等等，小姐，我靠
Yes, wait, is it a lawyer? 等等，是一名律师吗？
No, no, no, I mean the people who are asking 不是，我是问那个问你的人
Ask them if they are lawyers 问问他们是不是律师
No, tell her that she has the wrong number 告诉她打错电话了
and there’s no Mr Snowden here 这里没有Snowden
为了躲避媒体，我们搬到了我的房间
嗨，Robert，现在方便说话吗？
我安全到达房间了
我现在跟客户很安全
我们能谈谈计划吗？
避难申请开始了吗还是？
但是？所以是还没有开始
Jonathan Man 人权律师
可不可以放扩音器？
Robert你刚才说什么
hello,I'm the client 你好，我就是客户
人权律师Robert Tibbo的声音
Edward，你还好吗？
I'm pretty good, I'm doing very well 我很好，非常好
我刚跟香港的联合国难民事务办事处的负责人见过面
他们知道你在寻求保护
你有权利享有联合国难民署的保护
他们想让你到我们联合国这边来
OK 好的
如果你现在来还是午饭时间
但是他们会让我们进去
其他人不行
OK 好
联合国难民署大楼有个独立出口，你可以从那里出去
如果媒体发现你在这里的话
Yeah 好的
你可以从另一条通道
离开大楼
OK. That’s great. 嗯，不错，
Is it OK if I bring equipment 我可以带点设备吗
‘Cause I am just kind of going, 这样我走的时候
so I can leave in any direction at any time 可以随时从任意方向离开
and not come back, if necessary 如果可以的话就不回来了
你只需离开那里就好
不用再回来
OK 好的
带上你想带的东西，
直接和Man先生走
我会来接你
他知道我会在哪里接你们
然后我会把你们带到联合国难民署
OK,that sounds good 嗯，是个好主意
好的
Thank you, thank you so much for helping.... 谢谢你，谢谢你的帮助
他很担心
下一步怎么走
担心住所
担心他之后要呆在哪里
担心呆的地方是不是够隐秘
会不会被警察发现
别...别....
现在先不要担心那些
先去联合国
好的，我明白
我们出发前给你打个电话
可以吗
好的，谢谢你
再见
然后....
我们没有车之类的
我在想
我们可以
让前台给我们安排一辆车
或者我们直接下楼打车
但是...
尖沙咀这边的交通
打车是比较困难的
Yeah,so you... 这样，那么你....
So is there president for this where Hong Kong 香港有没有领导人会因为
would extradite someone for political speech? 政治言论而引渡某人？
我不太清楚
如果说我们这里有刑罚申请
或是避难申请的话
根据法律，他们应该
他们应该会为你提供担保
让你待在香港
因为他们不知道
把你送回哪里
The president certainly does not welcome the way 上周，这场讨论已经引起很大关注
that this debate has earned a great attention in last week 总统显然表示不满
then the leaked class-five information 有关在反恐中至关重要的敏感项目
About sensitive programs that are important 其五级保密级别信息泄露俨然成了一个大问题
in our fighting against terrorists who 众所周知恐怖分子势必
will do harm to Americans is a problem 会对美国人民造成很大的危害
but the debate itself is ligitimate and should be engaged 但是讨论本身是合理的，也是值得参与的
斯诺登NSA文件
Snowden向联合国申请难民身份，并转入地下.我留在香港, 希望能继续拍摄 但是我发现我被跟踪了. 六天后，我回到了柏林
德国 柏林
ES(Snowden)：嗨
ES：你在吗？
LP(Laura)：在!
LP：你还好吗？
ES：我很好
ES：这段时间内我不能再和你们碰面了 你们太引人注目了
ES：我的手稿已经被华盛顿邮报发表了 NSA应该已经入侵了我的账户，阻断了连接
ES：我们要重新验证
LP：好的
LP：要是我能帮你弄一台相机来，你可以进行拍摄吗？
ES：现在不行，我的房东胆子很小
ES：我在这里不能大声说话
LP：不能大声说话？
ES：我不想被发现，然后被人破门而入
里约热内卢
巴西环球日报
美国监视了无数的巴西民众的邮件和电话
我想给你看看这些新的文件
你可以看得很清楚
这张图上是他们为棱镜计划搜集数据的电缆
表明了他们正在搜集的数据数量
线条越粗
搜集的数据就越多
你看看这些线条
这些电缆在巴西南部突然加粗
一直延伸到巴西北海
所以他们通过棱镜计划搜集了很多数据
我觉得这应该被重视,因为Facebook
Skype,YouTube,Yahoo,Hotmail都是是棱镜的组成部分
这说明他们偷走了巴西的大量信息
但是我们不知道巴西政府知道多少
或者美国是否和巴西的一些公司有勾结
但是我觉得我们肯定会知道的
有一天我们会知道一切,几乎一切真相
对
Glenn ：你现在想回美国吗？
LP：我现在不回去
Glenn：过一段时间再回去？
LP：我不知道
LP：你呢？
Glenn：我也不知道
LP：如果我们回去的话，很可能会被传讯
Glenn：对我来说，那已经是最好的情况
LP：那等着看看吧
卫报，伦敦
All right.. So which ones do we want to here then? 哪个是我们想要的？
This is operational stuff 这些都是有关如何操作的
so we mustn’t say any of this 这些我们不能说
So, redact that. 那就编辑一下
Go near the top 到最上面
What about the Alexander quote? Is that something… Alexander讲的那句话怎么样？是不是…
Yeah, that’s in TARMAC. 这个是TARMAC项目
Why can’t we collect all the signals all the time? 为什么我们不能一直搜集所有信号？
Sounds like a good summer homework project for Menwith." 这就话听起来像是Menwith 的暑假作业
Keith Alexander, the head of the NSA, on a visit to U.K. This one. NSA局长Keith Alexander访问英国，就这个
Yeah, that’s it 对，就是这个
Secret documents. Is it? 秘密文件，是这个吗？
Secret documents? 秘密文件？
We’re gonna stick here 我们要在这里呆很久
That should just have three single slides on there 这个只有三张独立幻灯片
It’s got more than three single slides on [inaudible ] 更多的幻灯片在…
We have to be extremely careful 我们一定要非常小心
Yeah? 这个？
Yeah, that’s it 对，就是这个
This is really dangerous stuff for us, Guardian [inaudible] 对我们卫报来说这太危险了
If we make mistakes, [inaudible] very angry 如果我们出出错，…会非常生气
We kept it all under lock and key 我们一定要妥善保管
And no one knows. No, I’m not saying that. 没人知道，我不是说…
They will come in and snap the front door down 如果我们进行详细报道
if we elaborate on that. 他们肯定会把我们大门都拆了
And he said, "The prime minister is desperately concerned about this." 他说首相非常关注此事
And they kept saying, "This is from the very top." 他们反复强调这是最上头的命令
ES：你那边怎么样？
LP：我在卫报，他们今天要发布TEMPORA
LP：他们很紧张，生怕有禁令下来
ES：NSA很热衷那个项目
LP：为什么？
ES：因为在美国没法做，NSA就去英国开展这个
LP：他们在公布勾结的电信公司名单的时候临阵退缩了
ES：他们知道那些公司？
LP：我觉得他们知道
海底电缆拦截基地 TEMPORA-英国政府通讯总部 Bude 英国
2013年6月21日，美国政府以三项重罪罪名指控Snowden，两项是根据反间谍法并要求 香港引渡Snowden. 两天后，维基解密组织安排他离开香港去寻求政治庇护
厄瓜多尔大使馆，伦敦
As you can see on this now, the flight bag 根据这个行李箱
it accordingly has Snowden aboard Snowden在这架飞机上
Almost reach its destination here in Moscow 这架飞机就快到达目的地莫斯科首都
scheduled to land in the Russia capital within a minute 一分钟内即将降落
As you may have heard, there is a CIA agent 你可能听说了
Julian Assange 维基解密创始人
who has revealed a lot of information 一名中央情报局特工揭露了大量信息
And he’s now trapped in the, the airport in Moscow 现在他被困在莫斯科机场内，
We’ve managed to get him out of Hong Kong, 我们已经成功把他带离香港，
he landed in the Moscow airport. 想在莫斯科机场降落
The America government has canceled his passport 美国政府吊销了他的护照
so formally, he has entered into Russian territory 严格来说，他已经进入俄罗斯领土
He is in a transit area of the airport 他现在在机场的中转区
Sarrah Harrison 维基解密编辑
And [inaudible] people is accompanying him ...的人跟他在一起
We are trying to arrange a private jet to take him from Moscow 我们计划安排一架私人飞机带他离开莫斯科
To Ecuador or, or perhaps maybe then Venezuela 到厄尔瓜多或者委内瑞拉
or maybe Iceland, countries in where he will be safe 或者冰岛，去那些能确保他人身安全的国家
巴西，巴西利亚
巴西参议院美国国安局监视事件听证会
现在由你发言，时间由你来定
谢谢，大家好
首先，自911恐怖袭击以来
美国的对其所作所为辩护的理由就是
一切以国家安全的名义
来保护民众
事实恰恰相反，很多文件
和恐怖主义，国家安全并无联系
却和国家间的竞争
以及企业的产业，财政，经济问题相关
第二，XKeyscore项目
我们第一次发表相关文章时
美国政府的说辞是只是提取元数据而已
就是谈话双方的姓名
谁打电话给谁，通话时长
但是如果我知道你所有的通话对象
这些通话对象的其他所有通话对象
通话时你的位置
通话时长，具体方位
那么我就可以了解很多关于你的个性
你的日常活动和你的生活
事实上，这套说辞是大错特错的
美国政府可以拿到的
不仅仅是元数据，还有实际内容
你的邮件内容，你的通话内容
你在谷歌上搜索的内容
你浏览的网页
你发给同事的文件
这个系统都能进行跟踪一切
所以如果你是一个正在调查美国政府的记者
如果你工作的公司有美国竞争对手
如果你的工作与美国政府的人权问题有关
或者其他领域
他们可以轻易拦截你的通讯
如果你是一个住在美国的美国人，他们就必须从法院拿到许可
但是他们一定会拿到，然而如果你不是美国人
那就完全不用特别许可
我认为侵犯隐私的后果是难以预料的
但是我们必须知道这会造成巨大影响
缺少隐私
我们游行示威和辨别的能力就会被大大削弱
柏林
May I collect all the phones, please? 请上交所有通讯设备
ok
Put them in the refrigerator 把它们放进冰箱
一个由律师组成的国际群体，无偿为Snowden辩护，聚在一起讨论他的法律地位
So, as you know, in June 所以，你们都知道，六月份的时候
Snowden was in charge with three legal violations felonies 斯诺登被控告三项重罪罪名
Ben Wizner，Snowden的律师，来自美国公民自由协会
principally under an world war one era. 主要从一战开始
criminal law called the Espionage Act 有一个刑法叫做反间谍法
the Espionage Act is an extremely broad criminal prohibition 反间谍法是一项范围相当广的犯罪禁令
against the sharing or dissemination of 旨在反对散布宣传
what’s called national defense information 所谓的国防信息
It was only used to prosecute people 它是用来起诉那些和国外势力，
who had been accused of acting 间谍有关系的人
with foreign power, spies, not whistleblowers 但不用来起诉告密者
And it’s a very unusual legally representation, 我觉得不只是对你们所有人来说，
I think, not just for all of you 就单单对我而言
but for, for me as well 这是一个非常特殊的辩护
The Espionage Act is not to distinguish between 因公众利益而向媒体泄密和
leaks to the press and public interests 为私人利益向国外势力出卖秘密
and selling secrets to foreign enemies for personal profit 在这两者上反间谍法并没有进行区分
so, under the Espionage Act, it’s not a defense 所以根据反间谍法，
if the information that was disclosed should not 泄露的信息本身不应该隐瞒或保密级别不当
have been withheld in the first place and it was improperly classified 不能成为一个辩护理由
It’s not a defense if the dissemination was 泄露的信息是为了公众利益，以及寻求改革
in the public interests that ... reforms 也不能成为辩护理由
Even if a court determines that the program 即使法庭判决遭到信息泄露的项目是
that will reveal were illegal or unconstitutional 非法的或者违宪的
that’s still not a defense 它仍然不能成为一个辩护理由
Under the Espionage Act, the government 根据反间谍法，
doesn’t have to defend the classification 政府是不需要对信息的保密级别分类作出解释的
It doesn’t have to demonstrate harm from the release 也不需要证明泄露的信息所具有的危害
All this is irrelevant 所有这一切都是无关的
So when we say that the trial wouldn't be fair 所以说这个审判一定是不公平的
we are not talking about what human rights lawyers 我们现在所谈论的公平审判
think of is fair trial practices 不是人权律师概念中的那种公平审判
We are saying the law, the statue itself that eliminates 我们所谈的法律法规
any kind of defense that Snowden might be able to make, 它本身就排除了所有斯诺登可能可以使用的辩护理由
and essentially would equate him with the spy 最终可能把他等同于一个间谍
and of course, those three counts could be increased to 当然，这三项罪名可能会被扩大到
a hundred or two hundred or three hundred, 一百项，两百项，或者三百项
they can charge him separately for each document 他们可以用记者公布的多份文件
that has been published by a journalist 一份份分别起诉他
And I think that, that we all recognize 我觉得
even though we sit here as lawyers in a lawyers’meeting, 即使我们以律师的身份坐在这里，开律师会议，
that, that is probably 95% politics and 5% law, 我们都知道最终的结果可能
how this will be result 政治因素占95%，法律因素只占5%
ES：我有几个消息要告诉你，不是非常惊人的消息
LP：好的，我听着
ES: 联邦调查局已经拿到授权，将会和中央情报局 还有其他匿名国家，包括英国， 一起合作调查我的计划以及全世界我的联系人的位置
LP：这个消息从哪来的？
ES：我只能说我有可靠的消息来源
ES：他们的任务是使用“任何合适的手段”， 包括“可行的”政府压力来说服媒体停止相关文件发布
Mr. Snowden has been charged of fair serious crimes Snowden先生因严重罪行而被控告
and he should be returned to the United States 他必须回到美国根据宪法下的司法制度
where he will be granted full due process and 进行法定诉讼程序
every right available to him as a United States citizen 我们将予以其所有美国公民的权力
facing our justice system under the constitution 在宪法的监督下，进入司法程序
卫报
2013年7月20日，英国政府迫使卫报销毁在香港提供给Ewen MacAskill的与国家通讯情报局相关的档案
在莫斯科Sheremetyevo机场中转区逗留了40天后， Snowden获得俄罗斯政府为期一年的政治庇护
NSA监测基地 英国 Menwith Hill 站
I don’t think Mr. Snowden was a patriot. 我认为斯诺登先生不能算作一位爱国者
I called for a thorough review of our surveillance operations 在他泄密之前
before Mr. Snowden made these leaks 我曾经要求对我们的监测行动进行彻底的审查
My preference, and I think, the American people’s preference 我希望，我觉得全国民众也希望
would have been for a lawful, orderly examination of these laws 对相关法律进行合法有序的审查
A thoughtful fact-to-base debate, that would then lead us to a better place 一场深思熟虑，忠于事实的讨论会帮助我们进步
在他与我在柏林见面后的回程中，Glenn Greenwald的搭档David Miranda 因为英国的反恐法案 在伦敦希思罗机场被拘留九个小时 白宫提前收到通知
Oh, my god. 天呐
David. 大卫
Hello, my baby 宝贝
Are you ok? 你还好吗？
I just wanna go 我想离开
Ok, ok, ok. 好好好
You just have to walk here 走这边
How are you? 还好吗
David Miranda 是Glenn Greenwald 的爱人
good,good, I am totally fine. I didn't... but I couldn't sleep 我很好...但是我睡不着觉
I know. 我知道
英国政府欠巴西一个解释
布鲁塞尔， 比利时
2013年9月，欧洲议会召开听证会， 以调查美国国家安全局监视欧盟民众及公司这一事件
Recent report has revealed that the NSA has access 近期报道披露了NSA
to encryption keys and they paid tech companies 能够使用加密密钥，并买通技术公司
to introduce back doors in encryption protocols 钻加密协议的空子
So we are going to talk about ways in which 我们要谈论的是
we can defend ourselves against governments’spying on us 如何反对政府监视，保护个人隐私
So Mr. Jacob Applebaum was encryptioinist of Security Software developer, Jacob Applebaum先生是安全软件开发者
and journalist Ladar Levison the founder of 记者Ladar Levison是电子邮件加密服务Lavabit的创始人
the encrypted emailed service Lavabit used by Edward Snowden Edward Snowden所使用的就是Lavabit
You have the floor 时间交给你
Thank you 谢谢
Lavabit is a email service that hopefully one day Lavabit是一项电子邮件服务，我希望有一天大家
will be able to stand on its own without any references to Snowden 提起它的时候是因为该电子邮件服务本身，而不是因为斯诺登
My service was designed to remove me from the possibility 我的这项服务
of being forced to violate a person’s privacy 旨在消除我被迫侵犯他人隐私的可能性
Quite simply, Lavabit was designed to remove the service provider 很简单，Lavabit 这项服务就是通过在服务器上
from the equation by not having logs on my server 不储存日志记录，不提供读取他人邮件和磁盘的方法
and not having access to a person’s emails on disk 从而在该过程中抹去服务提供商
I was eliminating the possibility of surveillance 我之前所做的就是为了减少监视的可能性
I was simply removing myself from that equation in that 因为监视必须要有一个目标对象
surveillance would have to be conducted on the target, 不是信息的发送者就是信息的接收者
either tsender or the receiver of the messages 我只是将自己从这个发送到接受的过程中抹去了
But I was approached by the FBI quite recently 但是最近联邦调查局找到我
and told that because I could turn off the information 说我因为可以关闭特定用户信息
from that one particular user 必须放弃SSL密钥
I would be forced to give up those SSL keys 在完全不透明公开的情况下
to let FBI collect every communication on my network 让联邦调查局从我的网络中
without any kind of transparency 搜集所有通讯信息
And of course, I wasn’t comfortable with that 当然，我当然很生气
to say the least more disturbing was the fact 毫不夸张地说
that I could tell anybody that it was going on 我那时觉得不能跟别人说这件事更让人心烦
So I decided, if I didn’t win the fight to unseal my case 所以我决定
if I didn’t win the battle to be able to 如果我不能说出真相
tell people what was going on 如果我不能告诉世人正在发生的一切
then my only ethical choose left was to shut it down 那么我唯一忠于道德的选择就是关闭它
Think about that 想一想
I believe in the rule of law 我相信法治
I believe the need to conduct investigations 我相信对于这件事是有调查的必要的
But those investigations are supposed to be difficult for a reason, 但是这些调查不应该这么简单就能开展
it’s supposed to difficult to invade somebody’s privacy 他人的隐私不应该这么容易就受到侵犯
Because of how intrusive it is 因为这种行为
because of how disruptive it is, 具有很大的入侵性和破坏性
If we can, if we don’t have our right to privacy 如果，如果我们失去隐私，
how do we have a free and open discussion? 我们要如何进行自由公开的讨论
What good is the right to free speech if it’s not protected 如果言论自由不受保护
in the sense that you can’t have a private discussion 也就是说，对有异议的事，你不能和别人进行私底下讨论
with somebody else about something you disagree with 那么这种言论自由又有什么好呢
Think about the chilling effect that has, 想想由此造成的令人心生恐惧的影响
Think about the chilling effect it does have on countries 想想这对一个没有隐私的国家
that don’t have a right to privacy 所造成的可怕影响
I notice a really interesting discussion point 我发现一个很有趣的现象，
which is that what people used call liberty and freedom 民众从前称之为自由的东西
we now call it privacy 现在被叫做隐私
And we say, in the same breath the privacy is dead 同时，我们说隐私已死
This is something that really concerns me 对于我们这一代人，特别是当我们说
about my generation, especially when we talk about 没有什么事能让我们感到惊讶的了
how we are not surprised by anything. 我真的感到非常的担忧
I think that we should consider that when we lose privacy, 我觉得我们应该想想，当我们失去隐私，
we lose agency,we lose liberty itself 我们失去媒介，我们失去自由本身
because we no longer feel free to express what we think 因为我们不能再自由地表达自己的看法
There is this myth of the past surveillance machine 从前有一个关于监视仪的神话故事
But actually what is surveillance 但什么是监视呢
Is that control 是控制吗
This notion that the NSA are passive NSA的这种做法是被动的
This is nonsense 这种说法完全是胡说八道
What we see was that they actively 我们看到的是，
attack European citizens, American citizens 他们侵犯了欧洲人，美国人
and in fact anyone that they can if they perceive an advantage 如果他们看到任何好处的话，他们会选择去侵犯所有人
明镜周刊，柏林
关键的一段说
是SCS拦截了
默克尔总理的电话
我们有号码
嗯
LP: 默克尔事件正在发酵，还在等德国政府回应 不是代号，这可能吗
ES：你有试着打那个号码吗？
LP：还没有，还不想暴露意图
LP：我有个问题，监控资料里默克尔是以真名出现的
ES：有可能，取代号是为了能够获得有利条件，而不是为了目标而取的
美国国国家安全局德国监视基地 Dagger Complex
柏林 德尔曼议会
2014年3月，德国政府召开议会咨询调查NSA监视一案 William Binney作为鉴定证人
OK. 好的
What will you tell the Germany people? 你想对德国人民说点什么？
I have to get that in the testimony 你想对德国人民说点什么？
What else do you need to tell? 我要留着给我的证词
Everything I can truthfully 没有别的要说的吗？
what will you be talking about? 我会一五一十的把我知道的说出来
Whatever the question they ask me 不管他们问我什么
Yeah, I think it’s over there 我想就到此为止吧
Ok, alright 好的
Thank you 谢谢
Hello, Mr. Binney 你好，Binney先生
Hi. 你好
How are you? 怎么样？
Good. 挺好的
How are you? 你怎么样？
Good 很好
See you again 又见面了
Nice to meet you 很高兴见到你
Yes. 是啊
很荣幸能够来到这里，我觉得能出来作证很重要
揭露全球情报界幕后发生的一切
不仅仅只是NSA
所有爱德华斯诺登所披露的项目
基本上都是有关信息搜集渠道的
历史上每一个独裁国家都做过这样的事
他们首要任务就是获得民众信息
这些项目的目的也是为了获得民众信息
我认为，对于全世界来说，这是对民主的最大威胁
德国针对NSA窃听丑闻调查委员会中有为美国CIA 效力的双面间谍，这一消息打断了Binney的证词
Glenn：
这些资料应该存放在airgapped安全设备中，我又收到了新的资料
为了做这件事，我们应该设置一个代号，
我们必须非常谨慎，这还不是一个组织
Laura
What do you think they are doing to reporters those of us 你觉得他们会对怎么对付我们这些
who are working directly with Snowden documents 和Snowden件有直接接触的记者
How do you think they would approach dealing with people like us 你觉得他们会怎么对付像我们这样的人？
You are, you are on the [inaudible] of cover list 你们都在监视名单上
which means that any, any electronic device you use 也就是说，利用你使用的任何电子设备，
that they can attach to you 他们都可以找到你
they all record and capture all that data 他们会记录获取所有数据
Jeremy Scahill, 调查记者
and what did they do with that data? 他们会如何处理那些数据？
They just try to figure out what we were doing? 只是找出我们正在做什么？
Well, that’s part of it. 嗯，那是其中一部分
But the other part, the primary part is for them. 另一部分，我觉得主要目的是
I think is to find the sources of information you are getting 找出你的消息来源
So if I have a confidential source 那么如果我有一个秘密的消息来源
who’s giving me the information as a whistleblower 他是以告密人的身份给我信息的
and he works for the US government 他在美国政府工作
And he is concerned about what he perceives 他对他认为是违宪的
as violations of the constitution, 政府行为感到担忧
And he gets in touch with me 于是就联系到我
They 他们，
Yeah 嗯
go ahead 请继续，
Yeah, from then on, they would nail him and start watching everything 对，他们会盯上他，关注他的一举一动
he did and if he starts passing data 然后开始获取数据
I’m sure that they take him off on the street. 我觉得他们会把他从直接从街上就带走
I mean the way they have to do it is like Deep-Throat did, right 我的意思是，他们所做的
in the Nixon years 和尼克松时期的深喉一样
Meet in a basement of a parking garage physically 在暗处行动
俄罗斯，莫斯科
2014年7月，Edward Snowden的相恋多年的爱人Lindsay Mills来到莫斯科陪伴他
let’s disassociate your metadata one last time, 这是我们最后一次切断数据联系了
So we don’t have a clue or record of your true name 这样我们在你的文件通信链里
In your file communication chain 就没有你真实姓名的记录
2013年4月的邮件
This is obviously not to say you can’t claim your involvement 当然这不是说你不能证明自己与这件事与有关
But as every trick in the book is likely to be used in looking into this. 所有能用来调查这件事的方法都已经用过了
I believe it’s better that particular disclosures come on your own terms 我觉得公布什么信息最好还是由你自己决定
Thank you again for all you’ve done 感谢你所做的一切
So sorry again for the multiple delays 很抱歉我之前多次延期
But we’ve been on an untrod territory 因为我们现在所处的地方人迹罕至
with no mode to benefit from 根本没有调制解调器
If all ends well 如果一切都结束得顺利的话
perhaps the demonstration that our methods work 因为我们而引起的示威游行
will embolden more to come forward. 可能会更大胆的走上街头
Citizen 公民
So the update that I wanna give you is about… 我要告诉你的最新情况
the new source that we... 是新的消息来源...
Glenn Greenwald有了一个新的线人，泄密了有关无人机和监视名单
OK. 嗯
That this is what ... 就是...
Glenn Greenwald怕房间装窃听器所以改用纸条
This is the, you know, this is the person who’s doing the most… 你知道，就是这个人...
Right, right, right 嗯
the work on it 这个人就是泄密的人
And now, and now basically what happens is... 现在的情况就是...
And... 还有...
That’s actually...that’s really dangerous on the sources’side 实际上，对于消息来源那一方，这很危险
Do they know how to take care of themselves? 他们知道怎么样保护自己吗？
He knows, he knows 知道，知道
he means it’s all being done through this 他的意思是所有都是这样完成的...
OK. 嗯
And they are all talking...this way? 他们在谈论..是这样的…
OK. 嗯
And... 还有...
I was gonna say that one of the big questions 我想说一个很严重的问题，
there is can they handle it, you know? 他们可以处理好吗？
Yeah, they are very careful. 他们会的，他们很小心
Even they’re through that 即使他们都经历了….
Yeah. 嗯
And.. 还有....
That’s what that is. 这就是那个...
Wow, that’s really something. 哇，这真的太那个了…
You know that? 你知道？
最关键的一件事 \N所有的无人机轰炸都是通过美国在 \N德国的Ramstein空军基地完成的 \N德方一直在否认 \N这会成为一个很大的争议
It’s not the actual planes 其实不在飞机问题上…
Right, right, 对，对
you mean the control. 你是说是是控制权的问题...
It’s the process who’s sending the.. 就是谁发送命令......
Yeah. 是的
There is a chart, you know, 其实还有一个流程图
There’s a whole way out in it for everyone 对所有人都有一个筛选过程
[inaudible] is really bold, [inaudible] is really risky 这很冒险，风险很大
But, you know, that’s the thing 但是，
if they understand what they are doing 重要的是他们知道自己在做什么
They are more… 他们更...
There is this chart because of this 关于这个流程图是有原因的
It shows that decision-making chart 就是这样一个决策流程图
It’s a chart…it’s, it’s shaped like this 就是这个样子
So [inaudible] says.. 所以...说
That’s the decision making chart for each one 这就是用来筛查每个人的流程图
POTUS = president of the united states 美国总统在该过程中有最高控制权
That’s 这，
It’s so political 这太政治化了
This is, this part’s amazing 这是，这部分太惊人
That’s fucking ridiculous 真他妈的荒谬
This is so shocking 这实在太震惊了
That’s 那个..
I know 我知道
在监视名单上各个不同监视等级加起来一共有120万人
That’s the population of entire countries 这么多人都等于一个国家的总人口了
That’s what we were working on. 这个就是我们收到的消息
That person is incredible bold 那个人太大胆了
But.. 但是...
But also very well there.. 但是做的非常好
Right. 对
You know, I just hope, I mean.. 你知道，我只是希望...我是说...
Now I mean the baldness is shocking 这么大胆确实是有点让人震惊
But it meant it was obviously motivated by what you did, I mean 我是说，这很明显都是受你启发
This is going to, this is going to, that could raise the profile of 这样的话会把整件有关告密者政治事件的关注度
this whole political situation with whistle blowing to a whole new level but…. 上升到一个新高度，但是...
Exactly. 确实..
It’s gonna... 这会...
Yeah, I mean, I actually think that’s a great thing. 嗯，我真的觉得这是件非常好的事
And I think people are going to see 我觉得人们将看到
what’s being hiding ,again, again 那些被政府的黑暗势力
by a totally different part of the government. 一次又一次隐藏起来的真相