这是一个真实的故事
丹尼斯·尼尔森被控谋杀 Dennis Nilsen is charged with murdering
肯尼斯·奥肯登 马丁·达菲 Kenneth Ockenden, Martyn Duffy,
威廉·萨瑟兰 马尔科姆·巴洛 William Sutherland, Malcolm Barlow,
约翰·豪利特和斯蒂芬·辛克莱 John Howlett and Stephen Sinclair.
翻译：奎奎 寒岛 青舟一二 董冬冬
他还被指控意图谋杀道格拉斯·斯图尔特 He's also accused of attempting to murder Douglas Stewart
校对：阿柚 监制：若茶之香
和保罗·诺布斯 and Paul Knobbs.
以下内容是基于 布莱恩·马斯特斯所著《杀人为伴》 以及广泛调查和个人叙述
每一次宣读完指控 As each of the eight charges were read out,
后期：福尔摩包 压制：丸子
询问被告 尼尔森 你对此有何回应 the defendant was asked, "How say you, Nilson?
有罪还是无罪 "Are you guilty or not guilty?"
每一次 他都以坚定的语气说 我无罪 Eight times, in a firm voice, he replied, "Not guilty."
本剧对部分人名作了更改 为戏剧性目的创造了某些场景和角色
尼尔森到底是犯下了杀人罪 But is Nilson guilty of murder,
还是只犯下了过失杀人罪呢 or is he guilty only of manslaughter?
丹斯
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我不明白 I don't understand.
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这很简单 Well, it's quite simple.
我和事务律师 出庭律师都谈过了 Having spoken to my solicitors, my barrister, um...
英国独特的二元律师结构 分为事务律师和出庭律师
也和心理学专家谈过 learned people from the psychology profession,
我不确定我是否有罪 I'm not sure if I am guilty.
但那基于什么理由呢 But on-on what grounds?
我们谈了这么好几个月 In all the months that we've been talking
你从来没提过要以精神病抗辩 you've not mentioned a plea of insanity once.
不是精神病 是精神障碍辩护 Not insanity, no. Diminished responsibility.
但我是否疯了呢 我不知道 But am I mad? I don't know.
疯狂 如堂吉诃德所说 是看到生活的本来面目 Madness, as Quixote said, "Madness is seeing life as it is,
而不是生活的假象 "and not as it should be."
你杀死了那些人 丹斯 You murdered those men, Des.
而且你知道自己在杀人 And you knew what you were doing.
是吗 我不否认取了他们的性命 Did I? I don't deny taking their lives.
我确实杀了人 You know, I must wear the label of a killer,
也许我该被吊死 and maybe I should be hanged for it.
但是我不是预谋杀人 But I didn't plan them.
从来没有 Never.
我把他们带回家并没有恶意 I took them home with much purer intentions.
然后等我醒来 他们就死了 Then I'd wake up and they'd be sat there, dead.
没有人比我更懂其中的痛苦 Now, no-one feels the weight of that more than me.
但是我在那时无法对自己的行为负责 But the power of responsibility, at that time, was nil.
我看着镜子 我看见了我自己 I-I look in the mirror, and I see me, yeah?
是我 友好 善良 负责任的我 就是这样 Just me. It's friendly, helpful, responsible me. Just that.
如果是这样 为什么第一次误杀的时候 If this was true, then why didn't you go to the police
你不去警察局报警 after the first time it happened?
你以为我没考虑过吗 布莱恩 Don't you think I contemplated that, Brian? Eh?
你以为我不想自首 结束这一切吗 Don't you think I wanted to hand myself in, or end it all?
但是 Y'know? But then...
求生欲 耻辱感 和对将来的顾虑 survival and shame and the future
让我只能安慰自己 这不会再发生了 makes you promise yourself it'll never happen again...
直到再次发生 till it does.
但是 我的意思是 But yeah, I mean...
如果不是为了我的狗 我可能会去自首 had it not been for the dog, I may well have surrendered myself.
我真的不知道 All I know is I don't know,
所以由陪审团做出决定 and thus, a jury needs to decide.
新闻媒体将得到许可 The press will be allowed to publish
发表法庭上的每一句话 every word spoken in court.
每一个小细节都会暴露 Every single detail exposed.
这不是你在干的事情吗 Is that not what you're doing?
我可没有利用这些年轻人的悲剧 Well, I'm not exploiting
来提高报纸的销量 these young men's tragedies to sell newspapers.
不 你只是在利用我 No, you're just exploiting me.
希望你不要那么看我 I hope you know me better than that.
我只想得到真相 I just want to get to the truth.
你不也是吗 Don't you?
彼得 这是格林先生 皇室法律顾问 Peter, you know Mr Green, QC.
叫我艾伦吧 Allan, please.
我听说他接了科雷的案子？ I hear he's got the Krays' brief?
科雷 指科雷兄弟（Kray twins）英国著名的黑帮流氓团伙
而伊凡·劳伦斯是皇室法律顾问 And Ivan Lawrence as QC.
是一个很可怕的诉讼队伍 可以这么说 It's a formidable defence team, to say the least.
请坐 Please, take a seat.
我该接受他们提出的减轻责任辩护吗 I take it their angle's diminished responsibility?
不要相信萨克利夫 陪审团不会买账的 Didn't wash with Sutcliffe. The jury won't buy it.
萨克利夫可不会看电视上的尸体 Sutcliffe didn't watch TV with the bodies.
尼尔森没有疯 Nilsen's not insane.
他们不需要证明那个 They don't have to prove that.
他们要做的 All they have to do
是告诉陪审团他正处于某种精神异常 is show that he was suffering some abnormality of mind
所以不能为他的行为负全部责任 and therefore not fully responsible for what he was doing.
而我们正相反 需要证明那些罪行 We, on the other hand, have to prove that these crimes
是经过精心谋划的 were carefully planned and premeditated.
他的供词肯定能做到这一点 Surely his confessions do that.
恐怕他的供词只能帮我们到这儿了 I'm afraid the confessions only take us so far.
什么意思 What do you mean?
他告诉你的答案 证明他做了什么 He gave you a lot of answers which prove what he did,
但无法证明他当时的心理状态 but not what mind he was in when he did it.
他只供出了他想给你们的东西 He gave you exactly what he wanted to.
你们几乎没有问他任何更深入的问题 You hardly asked him any probing questions
比如那时候他在想什么 about what was on his mind.
等等 我们不希望他突然拒绝交谈 Hold on. We didn't want him to suddenly stop talking.
我们得确认15人的身份 We needed to identify 15 people.
我明白 但是他给你的众多细节 I understand that, but the effect was he gave you a lot of details
不能让我们给他定罪 that aren't going to help us convict him.
不好意思 你是说是他是故意的 I'm sorry, are you saying he planned this?
我们不知道 但是如果我们只有他的那些供词 We'll never know. But if all we have are the confessions,
是远远不够的 then that's not going to be enough.
我们需要更多信息 非常多 We need more. Much more.
我们应该逼问他的动机的 We should have pushed for motive.
不要听格林的 Don't listen to Green.
嘴上说说很容易 他又不是警察 Everybody always thinks they're a better copper than a copper.
如果尼尔森不交待了 If he'd have stopped talking
我们就没法找到那些受害者 there's no way we'd have found the people we did.
听着 他们只是想找人担责 Listen, they're just looking for someone to blame
如果这事搞砸了的话 if this all goes pear-shaped.
我们要保证这事不会搞砸 But we're gonna make damned sure that doesn't happen.
是的 Yeah.
明天见 See you tomorrow.
谢谢您来见我 Thanks for meeting me.
请坐 Please, take a seat.
我差点不来 I almost didn't come.
但你还是来了 But you did.
因为你知道这不对 Cos you know this is wrong.
我猜他过去几个月给你写信了 I take it he's written to you over the past few months?
哦 是的 Oh, he has.
写了多少 How much?
52本练习册那么厚 52 exercise books' worth.
我们需要看一下 We're gonna need to take a look at them.
那有利于证明他预谋犯罪 That could be useful to prove premeditation.
- 杰伊先生 - 重要的是 - Mr Jay... - All that matters is that
我们得找到尽可能多的证据 we find as much evidence as we can
证明尼尔森当时神志清醒 that Nilsen was in his right mind.
万一他是真的疯了呢 What if he's insane?
你觉得他疯了 You think he's insane?
这事轮不到我来决定 Well, it's not for me to decide.
他没有疯 他知道所做的事情是错的 He's not mad. He knew what he was doing was wrong.
我不否认这个 Well, I don't deny that.
但同时 But at the same time,
他能把熟人的头切下来 he was able to take the head of someone he'd known,
把割下来的头放在锅里煮 the severed head, into a cooking pot on the stove,
慢火炖一晚上 and let it simmer overnight.
第二天早上起来 And then the next morning,
还能给自己倒杯咖啡 he was able to pour himself a cup of coffee
给吐司涂上黄油 顺便把火调大 and butter a slice of toast, whilst turning up the heat
确保那个头煮透了 to make sure that the head was boiling properly.
那真的太疯狂了 Now that is completely mad.
我的意思是 I mean...
他真的给你留下阴影了 是吗 He's really done a number on you, hasn't he?
你理解错了 杰伊先生 You mistake me, Mr Jay.
他不是我的朋友 我知道他是谁 He's not my friend. I know who he is.
你知道 Do you?
如果没什么别的事情 Right, well, if there's nothing else...
听着 如果他能说服陪审团 Listen, if he can convince a jury
他那时无法控制自己 that he was out of his mind somehow,
然后被判了误杀 then he only gets manslaughter.
他被送进精神病院 不到15年就能出来 He goes to a hospital and then in 15 years he's deemed cured,
又在街头自由活动了 and he's back out on the streets.
你觉得这是受害者及其家人想要的正义吗 Is that justice for the victims and their families?
如果他真的脱罪了 If that happens...
你能原谅你自己吗 can you live with yourself?
我不能 Because I know I can't.
我会把练习册送到警局 I'll drop the exercise books off at the station.
但是我们有凶器 But we have a murder weapon.
一个绑在打结绳索上的领带 A tie attached to a knotted rope.
我感觉很有预谋 Seems pretty pre-emptive to me.
好的 还有吗 Okay, good. What else?
有达菲的刀 We've got Duffey's knives.
尼尔森把他们丢在后花园里生锈 Nilsen let them rust in his back garden
让他们无法被追溯到马丁身上 so they could never be traced back to Martyn.
这表明了对犯罪行为的了解 That shows knowledge of wrongdoing,
所以他当时是理智的 therefore criminally sane.
那太牵强了 That's a stretch.
作家给的练习本里有什么发现吗 What about these books from Masters?
那里肯定有些东西 Surely there's got to be something in here.
男性黑白照片的悲剧 The tragedy of the monochrome man?
大多数都是胡说八道 I mean, most of it's rambling nonsense.
那可以帮助对面律师辩护 They help the defence if anything.
道格拉斯·斯图尔特呢 What about Douglas Stewart?
新闻界对斯图尔特的事情很感兴趣 The press'll have a field day with what happened to Stewart.
警察的脸面现在不重要 Police embarrassment is hardly relevant now.
我们用得上他 还有什么吗 We have to use him. What else?
苏活区项目呢 What about the Soho Project?
怎么了 What about it?
一个女人打电话来 A woman called.
说他们治疗小组中的某一个人可能是受害者 Thinks someone in her therapy group could be a possible victim...
但我想着那时已经没在找受害者了 but I thought we weren't looking for them any more.
好的 史蒂夫和我会去追那条线索 Okay, Steve and I will follow that up.
还有吗 Is that our lot?
保罗·诺布斯 在他的陈述中提到 Paul Knobbs, in his statement, says...
抱歉来电 Sorry to have called.
他一直在做这个重复的梦 It's just he's been having this recurring dream,
但是我感觉他是被袭击了 but actually, I think he's been attacked.
好的 Okay.
希望没有浪费你的时间 I hope I'm not wasting your time.
我们能和他谈一谈吗 Is it all right if we have a word with him?
对他温和点 好吗 Go easy on him, okay?
当然 他叫什么名字 Of course. What's his name?
卡尔 Carl.
好的 All right.
我在一个很黑的房间里 I'm in a dark room.
我不知道在哪儿 I don't know where, and...
有音乐 但很平静 there's music but it's calm.
然后这个男人出现了 And then... this man appears.
我看不到他的脸 And I can't see his face,
但他离我非常近 but he's very close to me.
但是我并不害怕 因为 Um... But I'm not afraid, because...
我很暖和 I'm warm.
我被包在一个睡袋里 I'm wrapped up in some kind of sleeping bag.
然后突然 我感觉有东西绕在我的脖子上 And then, all of a sudden, I feel something around my neck...
压进我的喉咙 想勒死我 digging into my throat, and-and choking me.
我能听到他说 别动 And I can hear him saying, "Just stay still".
然后又变得一片黑 And then everything goes dark.
但是又过了一会 我感觉 But then, after a while, I feel...
有东西在我的脸上 something on my face,
好像 好像是有只狗还是什么在舔我的脸 like... sort of like a dog licking me or something.
你还记得是什么品种吗 Can you remember what breed?
不记得了 Um... No.
卡尔 Carl?
你见过这个人吗 Have you seen this man?
- 见过 在新闻上见过 - 他叫丹尼斯·尼尔森 - Yeah, yeah, on the news. - His name is Dennis Nilsen.
他杀害了15名年轻人 谋杀7人未遂 He killed 15 young men and attempted to kill seven others.
这些人都是被勒死的 All of these men were strangled.
大多是用领带或耳机线 Mostly with a tie or a headphone cord.
但只一个人 他想用睡袋去杀害 But one, he tried to kill with a sleeping bag.
不 No...
因为在我梦里这个人一直告诉我 Cos the man in my dream keeps telling me
不要被拉链缠住 not to get caught up in the zip.
他还说他试图淹死受害者 He also said he attempted to drown him
然后又救活了他 before resuscitating him.
我从未跟任何人提过水的部分 I've never told anyone about the water.
你还记得那些水吗 Do you remember the water?
记得 Yeah. Um...
水很凉 It was cold water,
我被按住了 and I was being held down.
在哪 浴室还是洗手盆 Where? In a bath or a sink?
我不明白 你是 I don't understand. Are you...
你是说这事真的发生了 Are you telling me that this actually happened?
是的 Yes.
我想尼尔森曾试图杀害你 I think you're one of Nilsen's attempted victims.
因为你告诉我们的所有事 Because everything that you are telling us
都与他告诉我们的一致 aligns to what he told us.
你能想起来你认识他的地方或者 Can you remember where you met him or,
任何有关他住址的事情吗 anything about where he lived?
想不起来 Well, no...
你说他警告过你关于睡袋的事 You said he warned you about the sleeping bag.
- 他到底说了什么 - 我不知道 - What did he say exactly? - I don't know.
当他提醒你关于拉链的事 When he warned you about the zip,
这表明他在行动之前就已经计划好了 it shows he was planning it way before he did it
所以我需要你清楚地想起来 快 so I need you to be clear. Come on.
- 就试着回忆一下 - 我不想再回忆了 - Just try to remember. - I don't wanna do this any more.
听着 你必须做 我知道这很困难 Look, you have to. I know this is tough,
- 但是我们需要所有的细节 - 探长 - but we need all the details. - Detective.
- 就想一下 - 探长 - Just think. - Detective,
他已经告诉你他受够了 he's told you he's had enough.
我知道 但是 I'm aware of that, but
- 我们在 我 我只是在尝试 - 彼得 - we are, I'm-I'm just trying... - Peter.
我们不能用他 We can't use him.
他经不起盘问 He won't survive cross-examination.
你看到他的情况了 他们会毁了他的 You saw him in there. They'll destroy him.
我过几天会回来的 I'll come back in a couple of days,
看看能不能从他那里得到一份陈述 see if I can get a statement from him
如果需要的话 and we can read that out in court,
我们可以在法庭上宣读 if we need to.
彼得 我们有足够证据了 Peter... we have enough.
还是他带我们找到了尸体 我的天哪 And he led us to the bodies, for fuck's sake.
丹斯
这是丹尼斯·尼尔森庭审的第一天 For the first day of this, the trial of Dennis Nilsen,
这位低调的公务员被指控犯罪 the unassuming civil servant who's charged with crimes
让整个国家感到震惊和厌恶 that have shocked and sickened the nation.
尼尔森被指控犯有6起谋杀和2起谋杀未遂罪 Nilsen is charged with six murders and two attempted murders.
最近确认的第七名受害者格雷厄姆·艾伦 Details of a recently identified seventh victim, Graham Allen,
是一名瘾君子和轻罪犯 a heroin addict and petty criminal,
他的案件不会出现在起诉书中 will not be featured on the indictment.
马斯特斯先生 Masters!
和一个连环杀手做朋友感觉怎么样 What's it like being friends with a serial killer?
和杀人犯打交道是什么感觉 马斯特斯 What's it like rubbing shoulders with a murderer, Masters?
和一个连环杀手做朋友感觉怎么样 What's it like being friends with a serial killer?
史蒂夫 Steve.
你还好吗 You all right?
很好 Good.
- 睡得还好吗 - 我向来失眠 - Sleep okay? - No. I never do.
瞧这是谁 布莱恩·马斯特斯 Oh, here he is. Brian Masters,
世纪凶手的传记作家 biographer to the murderer of the century.
你看见外面的记者了吗 Did you see the press outside?
天哪 他们这几周都有头条可写了 Jesus, they'll have headlines for weeks.
在这场案件中狂欢 就像食腐动物一样 Revelling in the case, like carrion.
今天的一家报纸有这样的标题 One of the papers today had the headline
恐怖屋之审讯 "House Of Horrors - The Trial."
我见过的 恐怖之屋 The only "house of horrors" I've ever seen
只有唐宁街十号 is Number Ten Downing Street.
唐宁街十号 英国首相官邸
- 他们还提到了你 - 我看了 - They mention you an' all. - Yes, I saw.
是嘛 被全国性报刊评论是什么感觉 Yeah? How do you feel, being talked about in a national newspaper?
你说想见我 You wanted to see me?
是啊 他们给我带了西装 但是没有领带 Aye. They've brought me my suit, but no tie.
我在想我能不能借你的 I was wondering if I could borrow yours.
可以 Right.
我知道这是个请求 但是审判第一天 I know it's an ask, but an open-necked shirt
穿着开领衬衫 isn't the kind of impression I want to give out
不是我想给人留下的那种印象 on the first day of the trial.
好的 我会把它交给警卫 Right. I'll leave it with the guard.
我的救星 My saviour.
我一开始有15条领带 I started out with 15 ties,
但是警察把它们全部作为证据收走了 but now the police have them all in evidence.
你作为陪审团的成员 将被要求 You, the members of the jury, will be asked
确定此人在杀人时的心理状态 to ascertain this man's state of mind at the time of the killings
并据此决定 and to decide, as a result,
他是犯有谋杀六名无辜年轻人的罪行 if he is guilty of the murder of six innocent young men,
还是只是过失杀人 or merely of their manslaughter.
尼尔森先生杀害了这些人 辩方对此没有异议 That Mr Nilsen killed these men is not contested by the defence.
然而 他们会争辩 They will argue, however,
他在犯罪时处于精神失常状态 that he was out of his mind when he committed his crimes,
他不应对此完全负责 and that he cannot be held truly accountable.
但是我要证明的是尼尔森先生不仅 But I intend to prove that Mr Nilsen not only
知道他当时在做什么 knew what he was doing,
而且这些犯罪是有预谋并且经过周密计划的 but that these crimes were premeditated and carefully planned.
他诱拐15名无辜的年轻人 He lured 15 innocent young men
到自己家中 back to his home,
然后残忍地杀害他们 before cruelly murdering them.
尼尔森先生不是个疯子 Mr Nilsen is no madman.
他聪明 理智 He is intelligent and rational,
拥有掩盖犯罪事实的能力 possessing the skills to conceal his crimes,
并且能操纵他周围的人 and manipulate those around him.
总之 他是一个经验丰富的 深谋远虑的杀手 He is, in short, an experienced and calculating killer.
在丹尼斯·尼尔森被捕后 我和他在16个不同场合下 I have spent a total of 14 hours with Dennis Nilsen,
总共相处过14个小时 on 16 separate occasions since his arrest.
你是一个法医精神病专家吗 哈迪医生 You are a forensic psychiatrist, Dr Hardy?
- 是的 - 你可以向法庭分享一下 - Correct. - Could you share
你与被告在这么多次会面中 with the court the clinical evaluation
得到的临床评估吗 you made of the defendant during these many meetings?
你有没有发现 例如 任何精神异常的证据 Did you find, for example, any evidence of mental abnormality?
正相反 他很快就让我认为 Quite the reverse. I formed the impression very quickly
他是一个高智商的人 that he was a highly intelligent man.
在我看来 尼尔森拥有极度理智的内心 In my view, Nilsen possesses an extremely rational mind.
他能深刻地感受 He is capable of feeling very deeply
并且隐藏这些感情 表面上不动声色 and concealing these feelings in order to preserve appearances.
谢谢你 没有要问的了 法官大人 Thank you. No further questions, my Lord.
丹尼斯·尼尔森在没有明显动机的情况下 Dennis Nilsen killed perhaps 15 young men,
杀害了大概15个年轻人 for no apparent reason.
他保留他们的尸体 为他们沐浴更衣 He kept their bodies, bathed and dressed them,
和他们一起看电视 watched television programmes with them,
就这些电视节目和他们进行交谈 conversed with them about those programmes.
你说你没有发现精神障碍的证据 You say you find no evidence of mental disturbance.
当然 勒死人是不正常的行为 Of course strangling people is not normal behaviour.
尼尔森在还押期间 While Nilsen was on remand,
他对自己在英国赫恩山监狱的待遇 he made a series of protests and complaints
进行了一系列的抗议和抱怨 about his treatment in Her Majesty's Prison Herne Hill.
你不认为这显示了 Would you not agree that this shows
明显的妄想倾向吗 markedly paranoid tendencies?
或许吧 在某些情况下 Perhaps. In some cases.
在这种情况下 他的行为变得尤其极端 And in this case, in fact, his behaviour became so extreme,
反复无常 因此他最近被判定有自杀风险 so erratic, that he was recently put down as a suicide risk.
哈迪医生 你能否告诉我们 Could you tell us, Dr Hardy,
是哪位精神病医生建议进行这一项测试 who the psychiatrist was who recommended this step?
是我 I did.
那么 你不同意 So, would you not agree
有自杀风险的人 从定义上来说 that someone at risk of suicide is, by definition,
是患有精神障碍吗 suffering a mental disorder?
我认为 严格意义上来说 是这样的 I suppose, in strict terms, that is true.
谢谢你 法官大人 我没有其他问题了 Thank you. No further questions, my Lord.
米德女士 Miss Mead?
他们在利用发生在格雷厄姆身上的事 They're using what happened to Graham,
将它公之于众 making it all public,
但是他却没有得到公正的审判 but he doesn't get justice?
我知道 I know.
听着 关于他的案子有些细节可以 Look, there are certain details about his case that can...
你根本不在乎他 You didn't give a shit about him
你认为他只是一个在废旧房间里 when you thought he was just a junkie who OD'd
或是在卧室等地方吸毒过量的瘾君子 in a squat or a bedsit somewhere.
但是现在 你要把每一个细节都说出来 But now, you're gonna bring up every little detail.
我很抱歉 I'm sorry.
不 你不用 No, you're not.
你他妈的知道你让我经历了什么吗 Do you have any fucking idea what you've put me through?
他甚至得不到公正的对待 And he won't even get justice?
你们所关心的是 All you lot care about
是抓了丹尼斯·尼尔森的人 is you're the people that caught Dennis Nilsen.
彼得 我们该回去了 Peter. We're back in.
所以 斯图尔特先生 So, Mr Stewart,
在金狮酒吧见过他之后 after meeting him in the Golden Lion,
尼尔森先生建议你们两位都回到他的住所 Mr Nilsen suggested that you both go back to his residence
- 接着喝吗 - 是的 - to continue drinking? - That's right.
梅尔罗斯大街195号 我记得很清楚 195 Melrose Avenue. I remember it very clearly.
- 然后发生了什么 - 我们又喝了几品脱 - And what happened next? - We had a couple more pints.
他给我拿了伏特加 但是我说 这不是我的菜 He offered me vodka but I said, "It's not my drink".
然后他让我和他一起睡觉 Then he asked me to go to bed with him.
我说那也不是我的菜 I said that wasn't my thing either.
所以我睡在沙发上 So I fell asleep on the sofa.
我醒过来 想必是几个小时之后了 I woke up, must have been a few hours later,
我的脚踝被领带绑在了一起 and my ankles were tied together with a tie.
尼尔森跪在我的胸膛上 企图勒死我 Nilsen was kneeling on my chest, trying to strangle me.
但是我把他打倒了 But I fought him off.
我可不会束手就擒 I wasn't going down without a fight.
他对此事是怎样回应的 How did he respond to that?
他开始喊 抢钱了 抢钱了 He started shouting, "Take my money, take my money!"
很大声 就像 Really loud, like.
但是你没有偷他的东西 But you weren't stealing from him?
就像他想要让他的邻居们觉得 Seemed like he was trying to make the neighbours think
他被袭击了 he was being attacked himself.
他想要制造一个不在场证明 He was trying to create an alibi.
几乎不是一个失去理智的人的行为 Hardly the act of a man out of his mind.
谢谢你 斯图尔特先生 法官大人 我没有其他问题了 Thank you, Mr Stewart. No further questions, my Lord.
斯图尔特先生 在你的笔录中 In your police statement, Mr Stewart,
你说你留下来和尼尔森又喝了一杯 you said you stayed for another drink with Nilsen.
是在他企图杀害你之后 又喝了一杯吗 Another drink, after he allegedly tried to kill you?
是的 我觉得这是让他冷静的最好方式 Well, I thought that was the best way to calm him down.
我明白了 I see.
你之前提到的 You mentioned earlier
你记得你看到的地址是梅尔罗斯大街195号 that you remembered seeing the address as 195 Melrose Avenue.
你怎么能把地址记得这么清楚 How did you remember the address so clearly?
我看到了门上的号牌 I saw the number on the door.
你还告诉我们 你在酒吧见到他的时候 You also told us that when you met him in the pub
被告告诉你 他叫丹尼斯 the defendant introduced himself to you as Dennis.
- 没错 - 还有 当你到他家 - Yeah. - And that when you got to his house
一起继续喝酒 他给了你伏特加 to continue your drinking session together, he offered you vodka.
对 That's right.
可惜 这些都不是真的 对吗 Unfortunately, none of these things are true, are they?
被告人的名字也许是丹尼斯 The defendant's first name may be Dennis
但他总是自称丹斯 but he always calls himself Des.
他常喝朗姆酒 而不是伏特加 He always drinks rum, not vodka,
并且梅尔罗斯大道的公寓没有门牌号 and there is no number plate on the house at Melrose Avenue.
从来都没有过 There never has been.
不知道 我还以为有呢 I dunno, I thought there was.
但你刚才好像对这些细节十分确定 Mm, but you seemed so sure of the details before.
那又是为什么呢 And why might that be?
为什么会有人不辞辛苦地 Why might someone go to the trouble of furnishing their testimony
提供大量带有具体细节的证词 with a great deal of specific detail
结果却是无中生有的呢 that seems to be pulled from thin air?
我告诉你 斯图尔特先生 在本法庭上你的证词 I put it to you, Mr Stewart, that your testimony to this court
不过是一堆凭空想象出来 is nothing more than a pack of lies,
满足八卦新闻的谎言 dreamt up to satisfy a tabloid newspaper.
好吧 斯图尔特先生 Well, Mr Stewart?
你说完了吗 Have you sold your story?
说 说完了 Er... Y... Yes.
法官大人 没有更多问题了 No further questions, my Lord.
他好大的胆子 How dare he!
穿着一身可笑的衣服站在那 Standing up there in that ridiculous suit,
满嘴喷谎 spouting those lies.
所以你的意思是 道格拉斯·斯图尔特在说谎 So you're saying that Douglas Stewart is lying?
你并没有试图杀掉他 That you didn't try and kill him?
我当然想杀他 但不像他描述的那样 Yes, I did. But not as he described it.
这跟客观真相有关 布莱恩 This is about absolute truth, Brian.
必须千真万确 不然我们什么答案也得不到 It has to be, otherwise we don't get any answers.
你不可能认为 You cannot possibly believe
你刚刚让他经历的一切是正当的吧 that what you put him through out there was justified.
你这么激动干什么 What are you getting so agitated about?
我在给你的书提供一个完美的落幕 I'm giving you a wonderful final act for your book.
就像你说过的那样 布莱恩 Like you said about the book, Brian,
不能由我们来做主观决定 it's not up to us to make subjective decisions.
我们必须全程保持客观 We have to remain objective in all of this.
因此 得由陪审团来决定 Thus, it is up to the jury to decide
我到底只是个坏人呢 whether I'm just bad...
还是个穷凶极恶的人 or outrageously bad.
- 一会儿内庭见 - 好的 谢谢你 - See you back in chambers. - Thank you.
你知道他把自己那些谎话告诉媒体了吗 Did you know he'd sold his story to the press?
我当然不知道 Course I didn't!
陪审团没把他的证词从记录里划掉算我们走运 We're lucky the judge didn't strike his testimony from the record.
不可能对我们有那么大影响吧 It can't have harmed us that much, right?
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斯图尔特已经没有可信性了 他的证词现在毫无用处 Stewart's credibility is gone, his testimony is now useless.
我们现在麻烦大了 We're in a lot of trouble.
我们还有足够的证据 Surely we still have enough?
我是说 我们有那根打结绳子和领带 还有达菲的刀子 I mean, we have the tie with the knotted rope, and Duffey's knives.
一切都指向蓄意谋杀 All those show premeditation to murder.
彼得 物证当然很重要 Peter, physical evidence is all very good and well,
但那也属于间接证据 but it's also circumstantial.
我们有过一位证人 一个幸存者 We had an eye witness, a survivor,
现在没有了 造成我们被削弱了不少 and without that, we're significantly weaker.
抱歉 Sorry.
嘿 卡尔 Hello, Carl.
我能进来吗 Can I come in?
丹斯
你最近怎么样 How have you been?
记忆一直在我脑海中浮现 Things keep coming back to me.
什么样的事 What kind of things?
他说他喜欢我的鞋 He said he liked my shoes.
谢谢 Thank you.
医生说那只不过是一些噩梦 是由于 The doctor said it was all nightmares, caused...
我跟我的一位前任处得不太好造成的 I'd had a bit of a hard time with an ex of mine.
他们甚至给我开了一些药让我忘掉一切 They even put me on tablets to block everything out.
听着 卡尔 Listen, Carl, um...
审讯并没有像我们期望的那样顺利 The trial isn't going how we'd hoped.
我们认为你的证词至关重要 We think your testimony could be crucial.
但我已经给出陈述了 But I've already given my statement.
那个警官说那样就足够了 The man said that would be enough.
我知道 但我们需要你当庭陈述 I know, but we need you to give it in court.
什么 在他面前 What, with him there?
- 你不用靠近他 - 不 我不会去的 - You wouldn't have to be close to him. - No, I can't.
- 卡尔 - 他试图杀死我 杰伊先生 - Carl... - He killed me, Mr Jay.
然后他 又救了我 And then he... brought me back to life.
我无法想象你曾经历了什么 卡尔 I can't imagine what you've been through, Carl.
我真的不能 I really can't.
但是请相信我 But please believe me,
如果他的刑期判少了 你会无法安宁 if he gets a lesser sentence, you'll find no peace.
对不起 我真的做不到 I'm sorry. I can't...
跟他同处一室 be in the same room as him.
我不能回到那种状态 I can't go back there.
反正无论如何他们都会传唤你的 Then they'll subpoena you anyway.
你会被迫作证 You'll be forced to testify.
所以我别无选择吗 So I don't have a choice?
以万能的上帝之名义 I swear by Almighty God that the evidence I shall give
我将提供的都是事实 并无虚言 shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing by the truth.
斯托特先生 你能叙述一下 Could you recount, Mr Stottor,
在1982年4月你见到被告人的当晚 the events of that night in April 1982,
发生的事情吗 when you met the defendant?
比如 你是在哪遇到尼尔森先生的 Where, for example, did you meet Mr Nilsen?
在卡姆登区的黑帽子酒吧 In The Black Cap, Camden.
黑帽子酒吧 英国标志性同性恋酒吧
我当时心情不好 I was depressed.
我刚和某人分手 I'd just broken up with someone.
请大点声 斯托特先生 Speak up, please, Mr Stottor.
他当时对我很好 He was nice to me.
他在何种意义上表现得很好 In what sense was he nice?
他请我喝东西 He bought me drinks.
呃 他问起我的家庭 Er... He asked me about my family.
他是问你有没有家人吗 He asked if you had family?
是的 然后他请我回到他的公寓喝一杯 Yes, and then he invited me back to his flat for a drink.
我们喝了不少 然后他说 Um... We just drank a lot and then he said
我可以到他的床上睡 I could go to sleep on his bed.
然后他提醒我 And then he warned me not to get caught
别被睡袋的拉链钩住 in the zip of the sleeping bag.
你认为他为什么会那么做 Why do you think that was?
也许他是在找一个托辞 Was it perhaps because he was planning an alibi
- 以防万一你逃掉了 - 反对 法官大人 - in case you managed to escape? - Objection, my Lord.
- 对方有诱导倾向 - 反对有效 - Leading. - Sustained.
告诉我们接下来发生了什么 Tell us what happened next.
我醒过来发现自己喘不过气来 I woke up and I couldn't breathe.
他在我身后并且 He was behind me and...
我感到有什么东西深深嵌入我的脖子 I could feel something digging into my neck.
压迫感越来越强 The pressure got worse...
并且带来的疼痛简直无法忍受 and the pain was unbearable.
我看不见 I couldn't see,
也不能出声或是吞咽 or speak, or swallow.
并且我能听到他说 别动 And I could hear him saying, "Keep still".
接下来 我意识到自己在水里 The next thing I knew, I was in water.
在一个浴缸里 一次又一次被按下去 In a bath. Being pushed down. Again and again.
而且我并不知道自己在哪或者发生了什么 And I didn't know where I was or what was happening.
我被水呛住了 And I swallowed water.
我再也承受不住并且意识到 I couldn't resist any more and I realised...
我要死了 that I was dying.
谢谢你的陈述 斯托特先生 Thank you, Mr Stottor.
没有更多问题了 法官大人 No further questions, my Lord.
斯托特先生 你有不为人知的一面 是不是 You have an alter-ego, Mr Stottor, do you not?
福克斯变装秀 Khara Le Fox.
一个变装表演 A drag act.
你是个变装演员 You're a female impersonator.
对 我曾经是 I used to be, yes.
已经提醒过你了 斯托特先生 You've already been asked, Mr Stottor,
请你为了当庭考虑 if you could speak up
大声点 for the benefit of the court?
好的 Yes.
但是 But...
自从那次袭击 我再也唱不了歌了 since the attack, I'm not able to sing any more.
你还有过几任男朋友 And you had several relationships with men,
其中包括一个有虐待倾向的 including one which became abusive.
因此 你跟尼尔森先生度过的那个晚上 Your night with Nilsen was, therefore,
并不是你第一次遭遇同性之间的暴力性行为 not your first violent homosexual encounter...
法官大人 我必须对这一问询提出反对 My Lord, I must object to this line of questioning.
有同性恋的背景增加了 A history of deviant encounters
一场性游戏向错误方向进行的可能性 法官大人 raises the possibility of a sex game gone wrong, my Lord.
反对有效 继续 劳伦斯先生 Sustained. Move on, Mr Lawrence.
现在 你能不能告诉我们 斯托特先生 Now, could you tell us, Mr Stottor,
你被按到浴缸里之后 是在哪醒过来的 where you woke up after you had been in the bath?
在床上 On the bed.
在床上 那么房间是暖和还是冷的呢 On the bed. And was the room warm or cold?
很暖和 Warm.
尼尔森升高了房间温度 对吗 Nilsen had heated the room, had he not?
他把所有房间的电暖炉都打开了 He had put on all the bars on the electric fire.
对 我想是这样 Yes, I suppose so.
当你醒来后过了多久才离开公寓 And how long after you woke up did you leave the flat?
我不停陷入昏睡 所以也许一到两天后 Well, I kept falling asleep, so maybe one or two days.
一到两天 One or two days.
尼尔森监禁你了吗 Did Nilsen keep you under duress?
不 但我很困惑 No, but I was very confused...
并且十分痛苦 and also in a lot of pain.
事实上 他是否 Did he, in fact,
在你想去地铁站时陪你一起去 walk you to the tube station when you wanted to go?
是的 Yes.
这位想象中冷酷且深谋远虑的杀手 This supposedly cold and calculating killer,
会抓住每一次杀人的机会 with every opportunity to finish the job,
竟然在确认你安全到家之前 instead let you sleep in a warm bed for days,
让你在一个温暖的床上睡了几天 before seeing you home safely.
事实上 除了那个小插曲以外 In fact, aside from the incident itself,
他当晚带给你的温暖 did he not show you more care and kindness that evening
是否比任何长时间出现在你生命中的人更多 than anyone else in your life had done for a very long time?
是的 Yes.
那就是我无法理解的 That's what I can't understand.
他到底是杀我的人还是我的救星 Is he my murderer or my saviour?
那真是 罕见 How peculiar that is.
没有更多问题了 法官大人 No further questions, my Lord.
你可以退庭了 斯托特先生 You may step down, Mr Stottor.
你刚才做的很好 You did really well in there.
听着 卡尔 Listen, Carl...
我现在想回家了 I want to go home now.
他应该杀了你的 你个死基佬 He should have killed you, you queer!
杰伊先生 Mr Jay...
我觉得自己应该向你道歉 I feel I owe you an apology.
你是对的 You were right.
他根本没疯 He's not insane.
他对自己做了什么一清二楚 He knew exactly what he was doing.
就跟他现在正在做的一样 As much then as he does now.
警探 你对自己有信心吗 Detective, are you confident?
你认为自己能为受害者们伸张正义吗 警探 Do you think you'll get justice for the victims, Detective?
在接下来的几天你详细地与他交谈 In the following days you interviewed him at length.
对吗 Is that correct?
是的 我们总共与他进行了31小时的交谈 Yes, we interviewed him for a total of 31 hours.
在那31小时内 And in those 31 hours,
尼尔森先生有没有提过他脑中的图像或声音 did Mr Nilsen ever mention visions or voices in his head
- 让他承认自己犯下的罪行 - 没有 - telling him to commit his crimes? - No.
是否有迹象表明他 Did he ever show any signs at all
出现过思维混乱 of being out of his mind, so to speak,
或者精神恍惚 or mentally unwell in any way?
没有 事实上 恰恰相反 No. Quite the opposite, in fact.
他看上去 冷静 He seemed...calm.
神色自如 有能力自控 Collected. In control.
- 根本不可能是疯子吗 - 不可能 - Hardly a madman? - No.
侦缉总督察杰伊 Detective Chief Inspector Jay,
您能告诉法官 could you please tell the court,
您已当了多长时间的警官 for how long have you been a police officer?
快23年了 Almost 23 years.
基于您这些年的从警经验 And based on those years of experience,
您从专业角度如何看待丹尼斯·尼尔森 what is your professional opinion of Dennis Nilsen?
我见过各式各样的罪犯 I've seen criminals in all shapes and sizes.
关押候审期间 When they're on remand,
他们会申请各种人来探视 they ask to be visited by all sorts of people,
神父 拉比 伊玛姆 priests, rabbis, imams.
我的一个罪犯甚至还请过萨满巫师探视 I even had a fella who asked for a shaman.
因为其中大多数人想获得宽恕 Because most of them are just wanting forgiveness.
尼尔森先生 Mr Nilsen's only visitor
在他关押候审的八个月里 in the eight months whilst he was on remand
唯一来探视的是位传记作家 was a biographer.
在我看来 尼尔森先生是个冷血懦夫 In my opinion, he's a remorseless coward
杀害了很多无辜的弱者 who killed innocent and vulnerable men
趁他们睡觉的时候动手 as they slept.
谢谢 侦缉总督察先生 Thank you, Detective Chief Inspector.
没有别的问题了 法官大人 No further questions, my Lord.
侦缉总督察先生 Detective Chief Inspector,
您说您审讯过尼尔森 31小时 是吗 you say you interviewed Nilsen for 31 hours, yes?
没错 That's right.
在他不间断说话的那段时间里 In all that time of him talking almost incessantly,
他有没有提到过策划谋杀案的事 did he ever mention planning the murders at all?
没有 No.
没有别的问题了 法官大人 No further questions, my Lord.
您可以离开了 警官 You may step down, Officer.
谢谢 Thank you.
法律中有个古老的拉丁谚语 We have an old Latin phrase in the law,
"Res ipsa loquitur" "Res ipsa loquitur",
事实不言自明 "The act speaks for itself."
什么样的杀人犯 What sort of man kills people,
会和死者尸体生活在一处 lives with their bodies
让尸体在地板下腐烂 rotting under the floorboards,
把尸体碎块放厕所下水道里冲走 and flushes pieces of them down the lavatory?
您觉得心智正常的人能做出这事来吗 Do these seem to you the actions of a man in his right mind?
如果您也同我们一样认为 If you think, as we invite you to think,
这些案件 如证据所示 and as the evidence surely shows,that these crimes
不是事先计划或早有预谋 were not planned or premeditated,
而是尼尔森极为失常的性格 but were due to Nilsen's seriously abnormal personality
与思维方式所致 and way of thinking,
那么 您会裁决他免于谋杀罪 then you will find him not guilty of murder,
而裁决他过失杀人罪 but guilty of manslaughter
基于精神失常可减轻刑事责任这个原则 by way of diminished responsibility.
我们期望您能这样裁决 That is the verdict which we invite you to return.
他们怎么这么久 What's taking them so long?
再点一轮吗 我出去一下 Same again? Wee ones?
陪审团的福尔曼女士 Madam Foreman of the jury.
你们达成一致裁决了吗 Have you reached verdicts on which you are all agreed?
没有 No, we have not.
如果傍晚开庭 你们能作出裁决吗 Might you reach a verdict if the court sits until early evening?
法官大人 我认为不能 I don't believe so, your Honour.
很好 今晚休庭 Very well. You will retire overnight.
明天早上 重新开庭 The court will reconvene in the morning
我会接受多数裁决的结果 where I will accept a majority verdict.
丹斯
法庭现在花更多时间讨论 More time's now being spent
分辨丹尼斯·尼尔森可能存在的精神问题 on what's possibly wrong with Dennis Nilsen
而不是他所实施的杀人行为 than what he's actually done.
这个男人自称 世纪杀手 A man who has described himself as the "murderer of the century".
一位辩护精神病学家说 A defence psychiatrist said
尼尔森表现得好像他就是法官 Nilsen acted as if he were the judge,
对这起臭名昭著的命案指手画脚 judging this case of an infamous crime.
他故弄玄虚 He shows off.
他觉得自己是本世纪最重要的人物 He really believes he is the most important person of the century.
辩护专家找到另一种方式 The defence expert found another way
描述尼尔森的心智状态 of describing Nilsen's mind.
他的性格就像他的房子 "His personality was like his house.
从外表看 一切都好 "It looked perfectly all right from the outside",
或许有点怪异的味道 "but perhaps there was something of a funny smell about it,
但当你看向地板下面 "and when you looked under the floorboards,
你会毛骨悚然 "you would find horrors."
陪审团回来了 The jury is returning.
请陪审团主席起立 Would the foreman of the jury please stand?
福尔曼女士 Madam Foreman,
你们达成多数裁决了吗 do you have a majority on your verdicts?
是的 We do.
指控被告谋杀斯蒂芬·辛克莱 On the charge of the murder of Stephen Sinclair,
你们如何裁决 how do you find the defendant?
罪名成立 Guilty.
指控被告谋杀肯尼斯·奥肯登 On the charge of the murder of Kenneth Ockenden,
你们如何裁决 how do you find the defendant?
罪名成立 Guilty.
指控被告谋杀约翰·豪利特 On the charge of the murder of John Howlett,
你们如何裁决 how do you find the defendant?
罪名成立 Guilty.
指控被告谋杀马丁·达菲 On the charge of the murder of Martyn Duffey,
你们如何裁决 how do you find the defendant?
罪名成立 Guilty.
指控被告谋杀威廉·萨瑟兰 On the charge of the murder of Billy Sutherland,
你们如何裁决 how do you find the defendant?
罪名成立 Guilty.
指控被告谋杀马尔科姆·巴洛 On the charge of the murder of Malcolm Barlow,
你们如何裁决 how do you find the defendant?
罪名成立 Guilty.
指控被告谋杀道格拉斯·斯图尔特未遂 On the charge of the attempted murder of Douglas Stewart,
你们如何裁决 how do you find the defendant?
罪名成立 Guilty.
指控被告企图谋杀保罗·诺布斯 On the charge of the attempted murder of Paul Nobbs,
你们如何裁决 how do you find the defendant?
罪名成立 Guilty.
丹尼斯·安德鲁·尼尔森 Dennis Andrew Nilsen,
你的受害人是无辜的年轻人 your victims were innocent young men,
他们不该接受你的热情款待 guilty only of accepting your hospitality,
你残忍地终结了他们的生命 whereupon you ended their lives cruelly and callously,
其中的原委只有你知道 for reasons that will remain known only to you.
法律裁决你为谋杀犯 The sentence for murder is fixed in law.
判处终身监禁 It is imprisonment for life,
这是我对你的宣判 and that is the sentence which I pass on you
适用于对你的每一项指控 on each count of this indictment.
带他下去 Take him down.
杰伊先生 干得漂亮 Mr Jay. Well done.
最后一刻胜负才见分晓 对吧 It went down to the wire at the end, didn't it?
你肯定对此满心欢喜 You must be pleased it's over.
如果你以后又记起了更多的名字 If at any time in the future you remember any more names...
请给我写信 please write to me.
我保证你会第一个知道 I promise you'll be the first to know.
我认为陪审团的裁决是对的 I think the jury got it right in the end.
- 是 - 我认为我没疯 - Yeah. - I don't think I'm mad.
如果那天你没抓到我的话 If you hadn't caught me that day...
受害者会是115人 而不是15人 it'd be 115, not 15.
我不会收手的 I could never have stopped.
好 Okay.
祝你好运 Good luck.
你会怎么处理这些东西 What will you do with it all?
我不知道 可能大部分会扔掉 Oh, I don't know. Chuck most of it, probably.
杰伊先生 Mr Jay... um...
介意我问你个问题吗 do you mind if I ask you a question?
问吧 Go on.
你第一次见他时 你就相信他了吗 When you first met him, did you believe him straight away?
是的 Yes, I did.
那一刻你在想什么 What went through your mind at that moment?
我在想 Well, I thought, um...
说实话吧 Honestly?
我想的第一件事是 我希望能办好这个案子 The first thing I thought was, "I hope that I'm up to this."
别把这句写进你的书 Don't put that in your book.
我向你保证 You have my word.
- 关于我的书 - 不 听着 可以写 - And about my book... - No, look, it's fine.
我们俩对此事都有各自的看法 We both had our way of looking at this.
他们会怎么处理这个地方 Well, what will they do with this place?
我不知道 I don't know.
要么卖掉 要么出租 我猜测的 Sell it or rent it out, I'd imagine.
谁会愿意住在这里 我是说 它 Who'd want to live here? I mean, it's...
过往的气息依然在 There's the smell for one thing.
你知道最糟糕的是什么吗 Do you know the worst thing?
我再也闻不到了 I don't smell it any more.
我先出去了 I'll see you outside.
你最近怎么样 So, how have you been?
你知道的 Ah, you know.
正在适应成为这里的永久居民 适应一切 Adjusting to being a permanent resident, and all.
除此之外 还不错 Apart from that, not too bad.
我读了你的书 关于我的那本 I read your book. My book.
你有何感想 What did you think?
说实话 布莱恩 我觉得这书太瘆人 To be honest, Brian, I found it absolutely terrifying.
但感觉不错 But it's good, yeah.
比我预想的好很多 Much better than I expected.
当然 我有些想法 Of course, I have some thoughts.
请不要因我的评论而气馁 Please don't be discouraged by my observations.
我依然钦佩你 I've lost none of my respect or admiration for you,
或者说钦佩你的作品 or your work.
哦 谢谢 Oh, well, thank you. Um...
我相信它会大有用武之地 I'm sure it'll be very helpful.
我最担心的是你没有写出受害者的名字 My biggest concern is you didn't name any of the victims.
不能写 我需要尊重他们的隐私 No, I-I wanted to respect their privacy.
我觉得不指名道姓是失礼之举 Well, I think it's disrespectful not naming them.
我剥夺了他们的生命 I robbed them of their life.
请不要剥夺他们的身份 Please don't rob them of their identities.
还有书名 And the title,
《杀人为伴》有点 Killing For Company, is a little...
书名应该是《尼尔森》 It should just be Nilsen.
不行 No.
为什么不行 Why not?
毕竟 这本书是关于我的 Book is about me, after all.
我不会给书取名为《尼尔森》 I'm not going to call it Nilsen.
这不是你的书 和你无关 This isn't your book. It's not about you.
这本书是关于你这种人如何产生的 It's about how someone like you came to be.
我们初次见面时 我告诉过你 I told you when we first met
我不会用描述恐怖或情绪的形容词 that I wasn't going to use grisly or emotive adjectives,
我一直贯彻这一原则 and I have stuck to my word.
可别搞错了 But make no mistake,
这不是欢庆 this isn't a celebration.
是警告 It's a warning.
受害者只有12人 不是15人 You know, there were only 12 victims, not 15.
被捕那天晚上我坐在警车后座 When I sat in the back of the police car the night of my arrest,
他们问我有多少人 我不太确定 they asked me how many there were, and I wasn't very sure,
所以我给了他们一个数字 15或16 so I just gave them a figure, "15 or 16".
其中三个受害者是虚构出来的 And three... three of those victims were invented,
只是为了补充警方的证据链 just to complement the continuity of evidence for the police.
让他们开心 Keep them happy.
每个人都有机会写我的故事 Everybody has had a chance to write their version of my story.
什么时候能轮到我 When's it my turn?
出版后我会给你一份 I'll send you a copy when it's published.
再来看看我 Come and see me again.
1985年 布莱恩·马斯特斯出版了《杀人为伴》一书 受到好评
他继续探视狱中的尼尔森 10年未间断
尼尔森获罪两年后 侦缉总督察彼得·杰伊离开警界
经过长期与癌症的抗争 他于2018年2月去世
尼尔森从未因蓄意谋杀卡尔·斯托特 或谋杀格雷厄姆·艾伦而受到指控
2006年 检查DNA证据表明 尼尔森的第一个受害者名叫斯蒂芬·霍姆斯
他当时14岁
2018年 丹尼斯·尼尔森在狱中去世
尼尔森最初供认的15名受害者中 只有8名受害者的身份查实
斯蒂芬·霍姆斯 肯尼斯·奥肯登 马丁·达菲 威廉·萨瑟兰 马尔科姆·巴洛 约翰·豪利特 格雷厄姆·艾伦 斯蒂芬·辛克莱
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